This is a discussion on Never open carried within the Open Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by tcox4freedom The problem with most GGs thinking is they really don't understand the criminal mindset. One more time; Criminals look for the ...
Your above scenario's describe your typical mugger or petty thief. What about the bank robber who is already risking a boatload of jail time....what about the gang bangers that are going through initiation and murder would just be icing on the cake. What about those situations where you run into REAL criminals that would require the use of deadly force.
Also, you might not even be the intended victim, but just some dude in a convience store that happens to get popped first because he poses a threat to the criminals goals.
There is a distinct tactial advantage when it comes to CCW vs Open Carry and I don't think there is much argument. The element of suprise is huge.
Back to the original question. TerriLi hit on all the high points and 4freedom put flesh on the skeleton but let me add this. You would not believe how oblivious people around you are until you stop hiding your sidearm under your clothes. It has to be experienced directly to be appreciated. 95% of the time not a single person in a setting of dozens of folks notices my tool. On occasion I'll get a curious inquiry from some one that wants to know how to apply for a Georgia license. But mostly I go and come without conscious awareness of being armed. Once the initial jitters are overcome and openly carrying becomes natural people don't have the opportunity or reason to give you a close one over. You are just another person out shopping for groceries or picking up the dry cleaning. Folks from conceal only/non-traditional open carry states can pontificate about OC six ways to sunday but can't account for the phenomena because there's no substitute for real life experience.
When it gets 80 degrees and up in the spring, I no longer want to bother with wearing more clothes than is absolutely necessary. I adopt a minimalist approach that includes oc.
On a side note, I just can't fathom the reason that some people get all worked up over the gun carry habits of others.
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Let me clue you in on something you might not have realized. Nobody cares about the message you are trying to send with a firearm. Carrying a firearm is for self defense end of story. If you are carrying a firearm open with the intent to deter bad guy's or send a message that you are big and tough and willing to defend whoever then you are doing it for all the wrong reasons.
If I am a BG and intent on committing a crime, I look at the dude Open Carrying as my first target. I know he has a gun, he doesn't know I have one. Bang bang....game over.
To each their own though.
The element of surprise is ALAYS on the side of the aggressor because "surprise" is an OFFENSIVE tactic. As a law abiding citizen, I hope you don't go around starting confrontations. If you have any level of intelligence, you should know that you WILL be on the defensive during the onset of any confrontation.
The Bg "MAY" be surprised when you fight back or he may not be. (Either way, your already behind the curve!)
A CCer/OCer having ANY "tactical" advantage on the onset of a DEFENSIVE confrontation is a COMPLETE myth. (Lest we forget, the BG is the only one who decides on who will be victimized.)
I can cherry pick scenarios that fit my narrative as well, but that does nothing to further the debate.
An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. - Robert A. Heinlein
I understand the points made by those who advocate for open carry but I have to say that those quoted above are the worst. There is far more to being and appearing to be a hard target than carrying your gun where people can see it. The last guy I saw openly carrying his weapon conveyed the message that he was the very opposite of a hard target. His very appearance was of a fat, poorly dressed guy lollygagging around in condition white with a gun in a holster hanging on his 4 O'clockThe problem with most GGs thinking is they really don't understand the criminal mindset. One more time;
•Criminals look for the easiest target.
•Criminals want a target they can quickly surprise an overpower.
•Criminals don't want a victim to fight back.
•Criminals pick targets based on "LEAST" risk -versus- biggest reward.
NONE of the above criteria fight into the OC profile. When a BG sees an OCer they see:
•Someone who tells them, I'm going to be a HARD target.
•Someone who is prepared and "most likely" will NOT be easily overpowered.
•Someone who will most likely FIGHT back.
•Someone who can KILL them if things go wrong (TOO MUCH RISK for twenty dollars in a wallet!)
waiting to be grabbed. Not all fit that mold of course but the main point is that your gun openly displayed doesn't mean you scare away the bad guys. There are some reasons why you may like to open carry but if you plan to use it to present yourself as a hard target you better be able to back it up. I know some "hard targets". You'll know them when you see them even if their guns are carried discreetly.
Be reasonable. See things my way.
Why do we care how other people carry? If you decide to opens carry and it makes you a target why should I care? If we care that much about other people shouldn't we force everyone to carry?
Sometimes I believe that we are to caring. Especially when it infringes on others rights.