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For those opposed to open carry, I have a question for you.

This is a discussion on For those opposed to open carry, I have a question for you. within the Open Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Bornfree It has everything to do with the behavior of the individual, nothing to do with the presence of a weapon. IT ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bornfree View Post
    It has everything to do with the behavior of the individual, nothing to do with the presence of a weapon.
    IT has to do with the perception of a highly uneducated and prejudiced public. To the masses "guns are bad" and they freak out regardless if I am minding my business or not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gunsnroses View Post
    How about a litmus test to enact your constitutional right? You can pay a fee and get a shinny new card with your picture on it?

    I'm sure you where born here in the United States.....but I don't think you should be considered a citizen until you take a test?

    -ok...sarcasm off.

    Believe in the rights of the people regardless of how you personnely feel about them. You share and enjoy the same rights!
    So if I disagree with you, my opinion is...

    Wrong?

    You love to talk about rights. What about responsibility?

    You know...to not act like a fool and negatively impact the rights of others?

    What about those rights?

    Oh, and as for citizenship & sufferage only upon passing a test? Hell Yes. Bring it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmcgilvray View Post
    I'm not anti-OC but if the OC-crowd has an image problem with their fellow gun owners due to the conduct of a sizable number of OC adherants within their midst (and they undeniably have an image problem, even with gun owners) then they may expect a measure of resistance to their "education" efforts with the population at large.

    Think about it.
    In the open carry movement, anyone pointing out an open carry advocate acting in a confrontational, provocative manner, is an attack on them all, and must be:

    1) Denied
    2) Defended
    3) A counterattack launched against the person making the observation, questioning his:
    a) patriotisim
    b) inteligence
    c) support of gun rights


    In this, the open carry movement is a lot like the democratic party and the the old USSR, in which any critique of an individual in government was an attack on the state, and could not be tolerated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smolck View Post
    IT has to do with the perception of a highly uneducated and prejudiced public. To the masses "guns are bad" and they freak out regardless if I am minding my business or not.
    Is that based on your personal experience? I live in a pretty good sized town and I see people open carrying without everyone freaking out. The vast majority of people carry concealed but not everybody. People who open carry and don't make some kind of big deal about it usually find that nobody else makes a big deal of it either. That's been my personal experience. I'm sure that there are exceptions and experiences will vary from one area of the country to the other. Open carry in Atlanta might draw more attention than open carry in Casper, Wyoming. I don't even know if open carry is legal in Georgia or Wyoming. It's just an example.

    If you choose to open carry something that looks like an AR-15 pistol, paint the tip of it orange "because you can", announce to the media where you will be carrying, and do anything else that you can think of to draw attention to yourself; then you can probably expect some people to freak out.
    "The superior man, when resting in safety, does not forget that danger may come." ~ Confucius

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    99% of people have the head so far up their rear, that if open carry people actually were just interested in going about their business with a weapon carried at their side, and did so without any fanfair, this wouldn't be a topic of discussion for the most part.

    It's hard to get people to notice you (and the H&K Mark 23 worn openly) when people are viewing porn on the handheld device, facebooking, net-shopping, sexting, doing a spreadsheet and emailing as they walk around.

    You need to be a controntational person to get attention,...er, educate the public...in today's environment.

    Gotta get on You-tube, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellCT View Post
    99% of people have the head so far up their rear, that if open carry people actually were just interested in going about their business with a weapon carried at their side, and did so without any fanfair, this wouldn't be a topic of discussion for the most part.

    It's hard to get people to notice you (and the H&K Mark 23 worn openly) when people are viewing porn on the handheld device, facebooking, net-shopping, sexting, doing a spreadsheet and emailing as they walk around.

    You need to be a controntational person to get attention,...er, educate the public...in today's environment.

    Gotta get on You-tube, right?
    That's the general impression that I get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder71 View Post
    Keep in mind, if open carry is gone then your right to conceal is going to become more strict. I could see it becoming a law that if any part of your firearm shows that it would be considered open carrying.
    At least twice the Commissioner of the Connecticut Department of Public Safety has tried to get legislation introduced to:

    - make open carry illegal (a felony) punishable by fine, loss of firearm, loss of permit AND PRISON!
    - to make printing a felony, punishable by fine, loss of firearm, loss of permit AND PRISON!
    - to make ANY exposure of a firearm a felony, punishable by fine, loss of firearm, loss of permit AND PRISON!

    Fortunately (so far) such legislation has never made it past the "things I would like to see passed" stage.

    As far as I am concerned, those who have no desire to defend OC are just as dangerous as the most rabid anti-gun loon.
    An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. - Robert A. Heinlein

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majorlk View Post

    As far as I am concerned, those who have no desire to defend OC are just as dangerous as the most rabid anti-gun loon.
    Wow, thats quite a statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder71 View Post
    I agree, some open carriers do seem to go looking for their next YouTube video - however I don't feel that is the majority, they just stand out unfortunately.

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    You are absolutely right. There are many, many ppl that OC simply by choice.

    Sadly there are those assmonkeys who run around video recording their deliberate walk down a busy roadway, or they're pacing back and forth in front of a grocery store. All the while looking suspicious. With their sole intention of having a run in with a LEO so that they can spout off at the mouth about how they don't have to produce their "papers" and how they know their rights while demanding badge numbers.

    The rest of us OC on a daily basis and don't have a single problem because we don't look for them. And when we do run into resistance, we act maturely and responsibly.

    In all my years of OC I have been asked to leave one Target and one O'Charlies restaurant. I politely obliged and have never spent another dollar in either chain. To add to that, many locations I frequent in my town and surrounding towns I run into several OD LEO's and Detectives. My OC'ing has never been a problem. Perhaps because I don't run around looking for attention like a kid with a new toy, flaunting it for all the other kids to see.
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    Could it be that this is more of an issue with educating the general public?

    I legally drive my car every day, and unless I do something wrong - nobody bothers me. If carrying a gun openly is legal, why is there any harassment in the first place?

    Perhaps more time/money could be spent educating people, TV time, newspaper articles, billboards... It would probably be less expensive than payout out lawsuits.

    If nobody paid attention to these attention seekers, they'd be forced to find some other cause - like going back to skateboarding on sidewalks or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder71 View Post
    Could it be that this is more of an issue with educating the general public?

    I legally drive my car every day, and unless I do something wrong - nobody bothers me. If carrying a gun openly is legal, why is there any harassment in the first place?

    Perhaps more time/money could be spent educating people, TV time, newspaper articles, billboards... It would probably be less expensive than payout out lawsuits.

    If nobody paid attention to these attention seekers, they'd be forced to find some other cause - like going back to skateboarding on sidewalks or something.
    Just curious why you say "if nobody paid attention to these attention seekers" and then want to draw attention to the issue by educating the public? Like MitchellCT said, if people quit trying to make a big deal out of open carry, the vast majority of people are too busy doing their thing to even notice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Majorlk View Post

    As far as I am concerned, those who have no desire to defend OC are just as dangerous as the most rabid anti-gun loon.

    I have no love for any enemies of the RKBA, external or internal.

    Do you want to win, or make a statement?

    I want to win the culture war. I want to be effective at making sure their is an RKBA for the future.

    Do you?
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    Originally Posted by Thunder71
    Look at the poll, their are members that would support laws banning open carry.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    You'll have that in a free society.
    Yes, in a free society you are free to petition the government to take away your freedom.

    Michael

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    I didn't vote, because there is not a choice that describes my position. I don't support any anti-gun laws within reason (except those pertaining to criminals). I also don't support open carry, and heres why...

    While the presence of guns doesn't bother me personally (I'm armed always), we will never be able to escape the fact that the "sheeple", the 95%-er's, aren't ever going to "get it". And sad as it may be, when you're walking around open carrying a gun, most sheeple think you are a lunatic. You see, I actually think open carry fuels the "other side" -- the opposition, the Brady's, etc. It incites those who don't share our beliefs to seek out new gun laws and to support anti-gun legislation, because this behavior is very "in your face" for them. Therefore, I personally feel that concealed carry is the only way to go in the general public.

    I hold my rights as dear as anyone else here, but to really think about the issue in a constructive way... I think people have to temper the urge to pound their chest and scream 2nd amendment rights when open carrying, with the understanding that this same behavior is likely to chip away at those rights even more. Its not fair, and I'm not happy about it, but its the reality I believe we face. There are more of them, than there are of us unfortunately. To win a war, sometimes you have to choose your battles carefully, especially when you are in the minority force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellCT View Post
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    Oh, and as for citizenship & sufferage only upon passing a test? Hell Yes. Bring it.
    I know it sounds bad to say this but. I am more afraid of my neighbors vote than I am of any firearms he has.

    Michael
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