Hi Lima, I don't think you are old fashioned at all, in fact I think more on the "new fashioned" side. :)
Unfortunately we don't live in a black and white world where everyone always says exactly what they mean. Children hear all sorts of mixed messages all the time, that is just part of growing up to be a functioning adult. If they don't learn to make those distinctions as children, we eventually read about them in the news when they are the principal of a school expelling a child for pointing a finger at someone and saying "bang."
The fact is, children hear mixed messages and fake threats from loving parents all the time. "Go to bed or Santa won't come down the chimney" is one that many kids are probably hearing right about now.
Growing up I read a book called Struwwelpeter which was fully of cautionary tales of what happens to "bad" children should they not listen to their parents.
The following is free of any copyright restriction and is freely distributed by project gutenberg: (Project Gutenberg eBook of Struwwelpeter, Merry Stories and Funny Pictures, by Heinrich Hoffman)
The Story of Little Suck-a-Thumb
"One day Mamma said "Conrad dear,
I must go out and leave you here.
But mind now, Conrad, what I say,
Don't suck your thumb while I'm away.
The great tall tailor always comes
To little boys who suck their thumbs;
And ere they dream what he's about,
He takes his great sharp scissors out,
And cuts their thumbs clean off—and then,
You know, they never grow again."
Mamma had scarcely turned her back,
The thumb was in, Alack! Alack!
The door flew open, in he ran,
The great, long, red-legged scissor-man.
Oh! children, see! the tailor's come
And caught out little Suck-a-Thumb.
Snip! Snap! Snip! the scissors go;
And Conrad cries out "Oh! Oh! Oh!"
Snip! Snap! Snip! They go so fast,
That both his thumbs are off at last.
Mamma comes home: there Conrad stands,
And looks quite sad, and shows his hands;
"Ah!" said Mamma, "I knew he'd come
To naughty little Suck-a-Thumb."
Somehow myself and over 100 million children in Germany, Austria and Switzerland were able to read such stories and distinguish that these were in fact stories and exaggerations. I knew nobody would sever my fingers if I sucked on them. I also knew God would not smite me into a pillar of salt if I took his name in vain. Children are smarter than we give them credit for. Learning to distinguish a bonafide threat from a fake one is IMO a critical part of growing up.
The point is, we have no idea what the repertoire is like in the household and cannot make a value judgement about "bad parenting" from one 30 second encounter. The lady was rude, no doubt about it... but lets not blow things out of proportion, we have much bigger fish to fry re: parenting.
Originally Posted by limatunes
Originally Posted by Harryball
If its legal to open carry why should he have to keep his coat on? If people freak out or make stupid comments oh well thats too damn bad for them.
Except that there is quite a difference between telling a kid that he will go to bed with no supper and telling your kid that you are going to get a stranger who is standing right there to take out his gun... a real gun.... and shoot him. Do you see the difference? Fake threat or not, it is a serious and dangerous threat. Kids have plenty of opportunities to distinguish real and fake without having threats from their parents like that.
Originally Posted by lordhamster
It's not okay to threaten your kid with someone else's firearm. My dad threatened to shoot me once. Do you think that I had difficulty figuring out whether he was serious or bluffing? For the record, I wasn't sure, and I was 16 at the time, not 5. It was TOTALLY different than some story I read or some vague threat to spank me when I was little.
Little kids don't need to have to be able to distinguish the truth in a threat of great bodily harm. It's neither helpful nor healthy.
I admit to not reading all the posts, but did read most of the first page, including the complete OP.
But the thread has bothered me for some days now.
Threatening a child with having a total stranger shoot them... well, to me, that's akin to getting a child to behave by telling them you'll take them to a doctor to get a shot... get a policeman to arrest them for misbehaving.
While I don't agree with intentional OC (or exposing your weapon 'cause you got to hot), for the most part; what this "mother" did was wrong. Absolutely, completely wrong.
I applaud the OP for giving the "mom" her comeuppance, and might have taken it a bit further, talking to the child in question. Explaining to them why I carry a gun, and that it is strictly to protect myself and my family from people that try to hurt us. (Verbiage dependent on the age of the child).
Epic Fail on the part of the "mother" in this case.
In my opinion you didn't over react at all. Not one bit, in fact I commend you on reacting the way you did. You darn sure reacted better than I would have. Well done.
You can...unfortunately it's usually illegal in lawful societies. Hopefully the stupid fix themselves(ie: removing themselves from the gene pool).
Originally Posted by shooter380
I do see a difference. By definition a fake threat in this type of situation is not dangerous.*
Originally Posted by protek
A real threat? Clearly not. Perhaps I just grew up in too sheltered a life where I never had to fear my parents. I really see the "threat" aspect of this situation as being much ado about nothing.
Inappropriately involving a stranger in your jokes is a different issue altogether.
*Please don't equate a mother scolding her child in a colorful manner with yelling fire in a crowded theater.
Just because its legal doesnt make it wise...
Originally Posted by ErnieNWillis
Just so as not to offend, the wise thing to do would be leave your sidearms at home. That way there should be no question about whether someone might get scared about this sort of thing. If you don't have it, then it won't get stolen either! Also there may be legislation to repeal the concealed carry laws in the new year cuz having a gun on you is just not right.
No offense taken. I would have been easier to conceal the weapon then go thru the crap the OP went thru. You can take it to what ever extreme you like, but if his gun was covered this would be a non- event...
Originally Posted by carracer
Parents like this are more of a danger to society than all the gun owners put together. Maybe we should look into legislation on parenting?
Originally Posted by carracer
Thank you mlr1m. As others have stated previously, the issue is not open carry, but, the parenting. It was his choice to oc. It's fine. I do it alot.
No one HERE cares if others would have avoided by concealing. You others can go hide your handgun and tell someone else how much better it is to avoid whatever you are afraid of.
Originally Posted by mlr1m
Am I reading a different thread? The woman had a 4 year old throw a temper tantrum. Can any parent who has raised kids claim they've never had a child misbehave in public at some point? The woman made a stupid thoughtless comment, but I don't think that means that "parents like this are a danger to society"
Get a grip folks.
4 year old threw tantrum. Exasperated mom made a stupid comment. OP was offended. End of story.
Amen to that. Making more than that of it is much ado about not much. I wouldn't have given the matter more than a fleeting moment of attention and I certainly wouldn't have bothered myself with indignation, either real or feigned, nor would I have wasted my time on a public critique of the parent's actions. Had the lady screamed "man with a gun" rather than make a stupid comment to her child I might then have had some concern about how she was influencing the kid.
Originally Posted by lordhamster
Too bad you don't need a permit to breed!