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This is a discussion on Starbucks responds within the Open Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Toorop Please explain it to me. What attire is appropriate to exercise your rights? How is carrying a rifle different then a ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toorop View Post
    Please explain it to me. What attire is appropriate to exercise your rights? How is carrying a rifle different then a pistol? The rifle is easier to retain in some situations. Plus it is more useful.
    Carrying a rifle into a coffee shop is a little extreme. It can cause an unfavorable reaction and individuals who may be on the fence to become negative towards firearms and those who carry them.

    Simply go into starbucks as you usually would. Discretely carrying and purchase your coffee, be sure to tell the baristas and or manager why you are there providing your support that day and thank them for supporting the US Constitution and a free persons right to bear arms. Tip well and go on about your day.

    Flaunting it with an AR-15 or Remington 870 hanging off your back will impact the general public more negatively than being a quiet, humble, grateful firearm owner. I can seriously equate it to the homosexual crowd who feels the need to flaunt their gayness in public to show the world they are gay, instead of just going about their business as they usually do. There is no reason for it and it only continues to develop the negative stereotype people have about them. So do what you want to do.

    Just my opinion on the matter, but do what you want.... it is a free country and you have the right and freedom to make a donkey of yourself in public. Even if it makes the rest of us look bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toorop View Post
    My buddie and his family will be bringing their AR-15s to the store in their slings! It will be nice to see people openly exercising their rights and enjoying lattes.
    Yeah, because that will really go over well with the public, and the management of Starbuck's...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toorop View Post
    I posted that comment as well.

    I don't understand why long gun carry is not the norm. Nor do I understand why it is going to get criticized by the rest of the firearms community.

    What is the point of posting that they carry with best manners and attire as possible? It seems like you feel that they will not be doing so simply because they will carrying a long gun? How is it different from carrying a pistol in regards to manners and the attire needed?

    I believe they are planning to wear some Black or tan BDU style vests, hiking boots, usual cargo pockets, thigh holsters, and normal bug out gear to Starbucks and around the local shopping areas. I don't see the problem.
    Let me guess, they're overweight, nearsighted, and play a lot of online shooter games? Do they hold "militia" meetings in their dad's garage?

    BDU styled vests, boots, thigh rigs, bug out gear, AR15s? Sounds like they just need to wear some shemaghs, Wiley X goggles, kneepads, and a tactical katana to complete the ensemble.

    These types of buffoons are exactly the type of people the media latches onto when mentioning open carry. They never talk about guys like me, who wear their day to day wardrobe, taking the kids to Walmart to do some shopping, while carrying a handgun on their hip. That is, if the cameraman can even get them on video. Those commando types have ninja powers, you see, and it's next to impossible to get them on video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toorop View Post
    Please explain it to me. What attire is appropriate to exercise your rights? How is carrying a rifle different then a pistol? The rifle is easier to retain in some situations. Plus it is more useful.
    Please explain how a rifle is easier to retain, in any situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakunin View Post
    Been boycotting Starbucks going on a few years now due to their disgusting anti union policies and the fact that they sell a 3rd world cash crop that exploits whole nations of impoverished overworked people. Screw starbucks.
    Unions suck, and are just an acceptable form of socialist thuggism.
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    Please advise your friends to not go into Starbucks, or anywhere, looking like Blackwater rejects. Rifle/shotgun OC is seldom a good idea. Perhaps they would consider wearing business suits if they cannot be dissuaded. Unless they're Israeli soldiers going for ice cream...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eaglebeak View Post
    I'm still grappling with the thought of spending five bucks for a cup of coffee

    ^^^^^^^SO^^^^^^^^^^^

    Take your better-half, and buy one cup of coffee, and split it!
    Can't get any more romantic for Valentines Day than that. Well, on second thought, I guess you could, but OH well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    I'm betting this is the same response they send to the critics of their corporate firearms policy. I like that, tell the same truth whoever you are talking to.

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    Makes sense, and besides, as Samuel Clemens said, "If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything"
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    I got the same response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skysoldier29 View Post
    I don't think Starbucks is either pro or anti gun. I think they just want to be left alone and don't want to be any part of this deeply political and heated debate. I do applaud them for not giving in to the anti crowd, but I don't believe that they are on the pro gun side. They are just a business that is trying to make a buck and is going to follow what ever laws that are in place regarding guns in the locals they have their stores. Most business that I've seen are like that, they will just follow the laws regarding guns that apply to their location.
    Bingo.
    It's a huge business and anything they say/do can have a huge effect on that business.
    I go to Starbucks on the way to my shooting range. My buddy and I carry concealed. There are no anti-weapon signs. We sip our coffee and talk and eat a roll or something. Nobody bothers us and we don't bother anybody.
    I confess I am NOT a fan of open carry. To me, it's completely and totally unnecessarily provocative. And I just don't get it.
    If I owned a business, as pro-gun as I am, I would feel nervous having people in my establishment flashing guns. Anti-gun people and just normal folks who aren't particularly comfortable around firearms would conceivably be scared off.
    As I said, I don't get open carry.
    What the heck is the point???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lockback View Post
    Bingo.
    It's a huge business and anything they say/do can have a huge effect on that business.
    I go to Starbucks on the way to my shooting range. My buddy and I carry concealed. There are no anti-weapon signs. We sip our coffee and talk and eat a roll or something. Nobody bothers us and we don't bother anybody.
    I confess I am NOT a fan of open carry. To me, it's completely and totally unnecessarily provocative. And I just don't get it.
    If I owned a business, as pro-gun as I am, I would feel nervous having people in my establishment flashing guns. Anti-gun people and just normal folks who aren't particularly comfortable around firearms would conceivably be scared off.
    As I said, I don't get open carry.
    What the heck is the point???
    As an open carry person, I also would be nervous around people "flashing guns"! That would be a bad thing. When I (and all the oc'ers I know and have met both on this board and personally) oc my gun stays in the holster. I (we oc'ers) just go about our normal business, and that does NOT include flashing.

    Or were you referring to "Flashing" while carrying a gun! That would be even worse!

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    I don't open carry and have never been to a Starbucks as I don't drink coffee or anything they sell. I do CCW to several other places that serve Sweet Tea at Lunch time when I drink a caffeen drink.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carracer View Post
    Or were you referring to "Flashing" while carrying a gun! That would be even worse!
    Not if it were the OCers in post #51 above!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toorop View Post
    Please explain it to me. What attire is appropriate to exercise your rights? How is carrying a rifle different then a pistol? The rifle is easier to retain in some situations. Plus it is more useful.
    In this case, it would be counterproductive, as it makes gun owners look arrogant, and irresponsible. I might OC to a Starbucks that day (normally a CCer), but one guy carrying a rifle would completely defeat the purpose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carracer View Post
    As an open carry person, I also would be nervous around people "flashing guns"! That would be a bad thing. When I (and all the oc'ers I know and have met both on this board and personally) oc my gun stays in the holster. I (we oc'ers) just go about our normal business, and that does NOT include flashing.

    Or were you referring to "Flashing" while carrying a gun! That would be even worse!
    Me flashing while also carrying a gun would be a very, very bad combo, sir!

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    Quote Originally Posted by livewire9880 View Post
    In this case, it would be counterproductive, as it makes gun owners look arrogant, and irresponsible. I might OC to a Starbucks that day (normally a CCer), but one guy carrying a rifle would completely defeat the purpose.
    How so? The same arguments for open carry of a pistol can apply to a long gun. I find all the little jabs and cheap remarks sad as you can't explain the difference.

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