This is a discussion on Grand Rapids, MI man open carries to polls within the Open Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by suntzu You know what I mean. And it wasn't freedom to use a forum. It is we (and I) sometimes think the ...
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” - Ben Franklin
Same invitation to Idaho to you! Of course, there are real 2a activists and carriers here so you would still be cc as you would cower in intimidation.
I do realize that travel for some (like myself) is not realistic so you are excused from that, but, point is made that you fear carry other than hiding there and I fear nothing here.
The other point of this is there are plenty of open carriers in Mich that do not have problems and open carry in those areas that you deem fearful. PM me and I'll get you in touch with some of them.
Point also is the fact your group of CC'er is typical of the "no one should carry but us 'cuz we have a permission slip." Any other type of carry is just "not common sense" to you. Personally, I couldn't care less what you think or how you carry. I am glad you made a decision to carry and respect the way you do it. Where I have a problem is your coming in here and telling us Open Carriers how your personal opinion is so much better than ours This is how you divide. This is how you are not promoting the 2a rights. This is how you fit in with the "Anti's". Stones? You apparently have your own fears as you hide your teeth where we don't.
As usually happens when the cc'ers come in here the thread has turned into a cluster.... I have fallen victim to the troll cc'ers once again and fully expect to be reprimanded by the mods.
I honestly feel like the CC'ers are nothing more than anti's in 2A clothing.
They use the same exact rhetoric.
I get a kick out of all this talk about giving the antis ammunition. As if kissing their butts is going to help us somehow. The very existence of guns in the hands of civilians, anywhere on the planet earth is all the ammunition the antis need to keep up their campaign of legislating them, and us, out of existence. Hiding is not going to quiet them down.
Shall not be infringed means - shall not be infringed.
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Common sense, Poor Judgement... I guess just a different word. MY personal feelings are... no. If he had been concealed, what would your opinion be?
I respect that it is your opinion that he did use poor judgement. I understand your position on this, please correct me if I am wrong, the rescent school shootings, California law changes etc. Perhaps more, but, these are the ones that can think of right now.
My position is... it's legal, he was not causing a scene or disrupting, he was ok. Yes, it is unusual to see someone carrying in this location. What would make this the norm or at least acceptable. My thoughts are more responsible legal carry. In this case, open carry.
I don't believe you can make something acceptable by hiding it. There has to be support in numbers greater than those opposing, or at least the perception of that. For most of the 20th century concealed carry was illegal in most states. A movement was created that changed public perception and changed laws pertaining to it. And the movement continues. I don't know ANY open carriers that are opposed to it. CC has not become the norm in many areas, but it is acceptable for the most part.
There is a movement along side the cc movement that is gaining acceptance. The open carry movement. It is, of course, more accepted in the more conservative states like Az, Id, Montana and such. It didn't start out acceptable. It took open carriers some time to show that legal, responsible carry is not a threat to the public and defense with a firearm is a 2nd amendment right, not a privilege.
I feel that as time continues and more people carry, both cc and oc, it will become more acceptable even in the most liberal states. Tho, Cal. NY and the like will be really difficult to move.
The key is Legal Responsible Carry. Making ourselves known in a manner that, even tho some may be offended, shows we are not the scary, dangerous, stereo typical guy from the movies. If you conceal carry you should promote the 2a advancement regardless if it affects you directly or not.
If a company declares offlimits to carry you can always conceal and no one is the wiser. Does that make you feel like you are getting away with something so you don't care? Or does it make you feel like you want to change their opinion of carry and change their policy?
WE can make a difference, you and I. By letting others know we are not the bad guys. By speaking up when someone says guns are bad. By speaking up when legislation comes along.
I respect your right, preference and decision to conceal carry. I hope you will respect my right, preference and decision to open carry.
Your right that people need to speak up, and not just be blind sheep, but anybody that owns a gun while also being stupid enough to think they can walk into an elementary school with it, is more of a threat to our rights, than the Anti's themselves! I carry everywhere I can but we can't continue to use the excuse that WE follow the laws so there's no need to fear us, when morons like that are walking around.
If it is legal to do so, why is it a stupid idea?
You should read, before you get on your supposed pro2A soap box. The federal law says anyone with a license to carry issued by that state is exempt from the federal school zone law. Individual states made a knee jerk law that adds to it. MI has a knee jerk law also, but it exempts people with a Concealed Pistol License.
So, it summary, break no laws, but THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!! POOR JUDGEMENT!!! All of you, you need to turn in your pro 2A cards, since they are counterfeit.