This is a discussion on Interesting LEO Encounter While Open Carrying within the Open Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Badey How many criminals do you hear of open carrying?? Probably dont hear of many, but I can tell you i've met ...
OP don't feel too bad. I think you did well. You OCed and "showed the flag" so to speak and when confronted you de-escalated and went about your day.
Did you have to cover up? No, but that cop may have left your meeting with a better opinion of armed citizens.
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.
@Badey - I use to live in PA, Armstrong County, near Elderton, so I DO get where you are coming from, and also what happens when you have a LEO encounter. If you were up in my old stomping grounds, you probably would have not had any issue of any kind with OC, lots of people OC in that area when I lived there. I also had a CC permit, I guess I would have been 50/50 on OC vrs CC in how I carried my gun, and when I was heading to Pitts, I def just CC'd, the LE down there were just too hard to deal with ordinarily, let alone if a gun were in the pic. You need to live in New Mexico where I live now, you see many people OC all the time, and you also see some ride their horses into town too . . LOL !! However, it is a different world here in the southwest vrs east of the Mississippi. People do not seem to have that 'fear' of guns like other places.
What you did was exercise enough good judgement not to get drawn into a roadside power struggle with an edgy cop. I wouldn't call that "caving". If the laws of your state put you in the right and the battle is worth fighting to you then move it up through channels and fight the thing from a position of strength. You won't get far with a hard nosed and profane cop on the side of the road. I guess you knew that.Well, I caved and covered. This was my first LEO encounter while OCing. I tried to be respectful, as I always am to LEOs, however, I did a poor job of defending my right to legally carry as I see fit.
Seems like you did just fine. Being a responsible citizen is also doing what you did by using your judgement and choosing your battles. Developing a skill of "descalation" is important.
I'm not a fan of anyone talking down to me and will challenge when appropriate or ignore when petty. This is one situation where despite the officers edge (remember they are not paid to be friends), he has a good point. If he was challenging you on the sole grounds of carrying, that would be something different.
I'm not much of an OC guy, and choose to conceal 99%. Something I don't care for are guys who choose to OC and then go out looking for a challenge with police in an effort to reinforce their own authority. In some aspects, I think of OC a lot like I think of profanity. You have a right to free speech & in most places you are free to use profanity. It doesn't mean it is always smart and it could likely provoke another citizen to respond, when they would have otherwise minded their own.
“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
― Albert Einstein
I think you did good.
Same thing happens when you see a police officer walking around with a shotgun or a rifle in a park.
People get worried and scared. If they could, most of them would :)
People new to carry tend to be on the side of not wanting to be too confrontational when confronted by LEO and even tho they are legally in the right they will have LEO's that think they are giving them their opinion or experience as they look at people that OC,OC isn't legal here in public,but on private property you can and some day I might make a nice BBQ holster,belt,and mag pouch for my 1911 that would look great.
Over time whether you OC or CC you will become more comfortable and be able to have an informal conversation about the pros and cons of OC vs. CC and be able to thank him for his opinion but your going to carry the way you feel most comfortable.
"Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country,"
--Mayor Marion Barry, Washington , DC .
"He is a wellspring of truth, but you can't bring the whole well up with one bucket." -Mark Twain's Mother (Jane Lampton Clemens)
Lots of things are your "right." It doesn't necessarily make them "smart."
When I go out in the wilderness, the only animals I worry about are the ones on two legs. And the same rules that apply in an urban setting apply in the great outdoors: I want every maximum tactical advantage I can get. Open carry means the BGs now know that you've got $500 or so worth of metal on your hip and maybe now they want it. It means they know to act all friendly and unthreatening and nice an' stuff until they are close enough to overpower you.
Additional downsides are other civilians calling in a MWAG report. Or LEO drawing on you and ordering you to do something and if you move wrongly...
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
"It may seem difficult at first, but everything is difficult at first."
So what is next. You follow the law. LEO office does not like it so he makes you follow his PC ideas. Where does it stop?
This is what is happening in places like Madison Wisconsin. LEO rip American flag stickers off cars, make people take vest with flags on the off.
Their reason is someone maybe offended.
We have a bunch of LEO police chiefs here that do not like CC and have made it a point to public state they will find a reason to arrest you or make one.
So regardless of the law go sit down and do as I say because I am the the law.
Scary very scary.