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    Quote Originally Posted by ANGLICO View Post
    It ruined us in CA! Could have had better judgment by the self serving OC people on this issue here! We all got s@rewed! Royally! Thanks a bunch!

    Granted the 'elected officials' are a collective bunch of morons = have you seen the body count in Oakland or LA lately?

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    When the smoke clears and the lawsuits are over, the entire state of CA will be in better standing with the 2a than it was before. As I understand it now, if you live in certain areas with good sheriffs you can get your permit. Other areas make it impossible. To sum it up, the CA SC ruled that CA did not need shall issue CC permits because they could OC. The legislature took OC away. When it gets back to CA SC, I don't see any other way for them to rule than shall issue or re instate OC. The legislature is not smart enough to see that they just cut off their nose to spite their face.

    Or you could take it out on the folks that were following the law I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefjason View Post
    When the smoke clears and the lawsuits are over, the entire state of CA will be in better standing with the 2a than it was before. As I understand it now, if you live in certain areas with good sheriffs you can get your permit. Other areas make it impossible. To sum it up, the CA SC ruled that CA did not need shall issue CC permits because they could OC. The legislature took OC away. When it gets back to CA SC, I don't see any other way for them to rule than shall issue or re instate OC. The legislature is not smart enough to see that they just cut off their nose to spite their face.

    Or you could take it out on the folks that were following the law I guess.
    We are really all hoping that it will turn out that way. In that by taking the fundmental rights away, they defacto authorized all 2A rights. We will see how it falls.

    As for the OC crowd in SoCal..... Well, I'll be polite and not say another word. Yes, they were exercising the 'then' lawful rights to be .... OK,

    Your right. My annoyance is against the 'Elected Officials', not the people who were exercising the right to OC.

    Thank you for the 'Attitude Adjustment'.

    It is just so hard to live amungst these collective morons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LkWd_Don View Post
    I had to do a double take on your State of residence. If I am not mistaken, Ohio just recently passed Open Carry ability even over the Veto of Governor Taft, so to read your making statements that could be considered as Anti-Carry/Anti-Gun rhetoric, even after reading your comment to MisterAvis saying you were taking the opposite of the OP's approach was NOT an attack, leaves me wondering if you even understand what can be perceived as an attack.

    Here is something simple that maybe you can appreciate. If it looks like crap and smells like crap.. don't expect me to reach in and find out how if feels just because you are calling it a rose.

    The biggest problem with many Gun Laws today is that the Politicians have Brainwashed those weak enough to be.. to the concept that Guns are intimidating. Well guns should be intimidating, to the Criminals and if it is a Politician that is intimidated by the sight of a Gun.. then maybe he is also a criminal.

    Whether you carry concealed or carry openly should be your choice.. not a choice made for you by others! Hiding the exercise of your Rights to appease even a small percentage of the Population, is a prime indication of living in a Socialistic Society.
    Ohio has been open carry for many years, they just approved CC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterAvis View Post
    Thanks for hashing it out with me for a sec. I'm a big supporter. I believe in breaking the paradigm. Not forcing it down their throats by acting like morons, but demonstrating what responsible carry looks like. We will have to eat around the edges (its probably not for every city).. But I believe, and we may disagree, that OC has a place and a value in the modern day society. Is that a recent pic of Dakota?
    Eating around the edges is a good analogy. Yes, that pic is about three weeks old. His summer coat had just come in, and he looked like he lost about thirty pounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LkWd_Don View Post
    I had to do a double take on your State of residence. If I am not mistaken, Ohio just recently passed Open Carry ability even over the Veto of Governor Taft, so to read your making statements that could be considered as Anti-Carry/Anti-Gun rhetoric, even after reading your comment to MisterAvis saying you were taking the opposite of the OP's approach was NOT an attack, leaves me wondering if you even understand what can be perceived as an attack.

    Here is something simple that maybe you can appreciate. If it looks like crap and smells like crap.. don't expect me to reach in and find out how if feels just because you are calling it a rose.

    The biggest problem with many Gun Laws today is that the Politicians have Brainwashed those weak enough to be.. to the concept that Guns are intimidating. Well guns should be intimidating, to the Criminals and if it is a Politician that is intimidated by the sight of a Gun.. then maybe he is also a criminal.

    Whether you carry concealed or carry openly should be your choice.. not a choice made for you by others! Hiding the exercise of your Rights to appease even a small percentage of the Population, is a prime indication of living in a Socialistic Society.
    Yes, you are mistaken. OC has long been legal in Ohio. Taft was the governor two administrations ago who vetoed the Concealed Carry bill, and had that veto over-ridden. Criticism of bad or questionable facts is often perceived as an attack. How I carry IS my choice, and my preference. Condescendingly questioning my rationale for doing so in an attempt to sway my point of view, as was done in the described flier to which I responded is also easily conceived as an attack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crowman View Post
    Open carry is one good way to desensitize the anti gun folks. I am sure what went on in California was not the sole fault of open carrying.

    I do understand reasons for concealed carry however concealed carry can also be likened to the "Don't Ask Don't Tell" policy the military had. Now that 49 states have some type of carry laws and 20 some states have open carry laws maybe it is time carry advocates "came out".



    No one said it would be an easy sell but to say don't attempt to sell defeats the purpose of defending our 2nd amendment rights. I am sure there are vets who carry full time, are lifetime NRA members, etc., etc., that can/are convinced. By not attempting something it presents only one outcome, failure. However if attempted it it presents two outcomes, success or failure.

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    I'm not so sure it desensitizes any more than it antagonizes. Likening concealed carry to concealed sexuality probably isn't the most persuasive selling point out there, either. I am all for gay rights, but I still am not marching in their parade. Sell, sell, sell but do so with strong selling points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ANGLICO View Post
    It ruined us in CA! Could have had better judgment by the self serving OC people on this issue here! We all got s@rewed! Royally! Thanks a bunch!

    Granted the 'elected officials' are a collective bunch of morons = have you seen the body count in Oakland or LA lately?

    Know what battles to fight, and when to fight them!
    The difference is that we are talking real world here, not CA. It's a well known fact that anyone applying for public office in CA MUST undergo a lobotomy prior to taking office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    The difference is that we are talking real world here, not CA. It's a well known fact that anyone applying for public office in CA MUST undergo a lobotomy prior to taking office.
    And that, ladies and gentlemen, is what an attack looks like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ANGLICO View Post
    It ruined us in CA! Could have had better judgment by the self serving OC people on this issue here! We all got s@rewed! Royally! Thanks a bunch!

    Granted the 'elected officials' are a collective bunch of morons = have you seen the body count in Oakland or LA lately?

    Know what battles to fight, and when to fight them!
    What exactly did open carry ruin for you in CA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Does the thought of open carry in public make you feel confident, assertive and cocky? If so, then learning these few facts may deflate your ego and rain on your parade:
    With Freudian mindset, a gun represents an extension of one's manhood; accordingly a public display of one's gun is the societal equivalent of exposing oneself.
    Open carry is the anti-gun crowd's ace in the hole against 2nd Amendment rights, allowing them to play upon the public's fear of something they otherwise wouldn't think about. If you frighten and intimidate the public badly enough, the backlash can act against everyone's rights, as recently demonstrated in California.
    95% of Americans have no interest whatsoever in participating in open carry, regardless of legality or lack of permit requirements.
    Open carry, unlike concealed carry, forewarns criminals of their victim's ability to resist and allows them to to plan their strategies accordingly.

    Open carry is the in-your-face application of the controversial, fragile and much-maligned Second Amendment, providing much-needed publicity to all who oppose it.
    Mike, you may have some point with some OCers, however, I don't think the generalization applies to most OCers.

    Secondly, If OC attracts criminals, why do armored car drivers OC? Do they want to attract MORE criminals, or is there a chance that it is a deterrent?


    You know that most times when people are trying to advance their rights, it has come about through "in-your-face" assertion of those rights. OC has been around for a while, and more people are doing it, yet, surprisingly, I have yet to see any damage done to the 2A cause.
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    OP, here is a link to the PA OC flier. Check it out. I would add some legal info to you flier, just to let people know that they don't have to take your word for it that OC is legal; they can read the statute.

    http://paopencarry.org/pdfs/Pennsylvania_Gun_Rights.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badey View Post
    Mike, you may have some point with some OCers, however, I don't think the generalization applies to most OCers.

    Secondly, If OC attracts criminals, why do armored car drivers OC? Do they want to attract MORE criminals, or is there a chance that it is a deterrent?

    You know that most times when people are trying to advance their rights, it has come about through "in-your-face" assertion of those rights. OC has been around for a while, and more people are doing it, yet, surprisingly, I have yet to see any damage done to the 2A cause.
    Generalizations seldom apply to "most", but the most glaring examples usually become THE example. The largest cash robberies in US history all involved armored car companies, so yes, they do attract criminals, and the OC deterrent value is debatable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badey View Post
    What exactly did open carry ruin for you in CA?
    The OC is gone in CA. Exactly that. Additionally, we have to bend over backwards to even transport weapons now, thanks to a handful of 'friends' that wanted to make a point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Generalizations seldom apply to "most", but the most glaring examples usually become THE example. The largest cash robberies in US history all involved armored car companies, so yes, they do attract criminals, and the OC deterrent value is debatable.
    So you are saying the GUN attracted the criminals to to armored car, and not the MONEY?? With the amount of cash transported and the minuscule amount of robberies that happen, your point is moot, IMHO.

    If it is NOT a deterrent, why don't they CC? I submit that they don't CC, because they want people to KNOW they are armed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ANGLICO View Post
    The OC is gone in CA. Exactly that. Additionally, we have to bend over backwards to even transport weapons now, thanks to a handful of 'friends' that wanted to make a point.
    If exercising a right got it taken away, did you ever REALLY have it in the first place??
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