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    Thanks for the link. Along with our flier, we hand out a copy of the Idaho Gun Laws provided by Open Carry.org. http://hitbackfirst.com/idaho_gun_law_color_20Mar09.pdf.
    I learned from the first gun show where we set up our booth for Idaha Open Carry, most people made the comment that OC made them uncomfortable or nervous and that is why we began our flier with that question.
    Half our OC members in Idaho Open Carry are women and for the 98 forcible rapes that are forecast for Boise in 2012, I'd guarantee that none of the OC women will be forcibly raped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ericb327 View Post
    Ohio has been open carry for many years, they just approved CC.
    If that is the case, then the source of my info was wrong, or I mis-read it. I thank you and will double check to see if I need make a note of the correction or report the correction to that site.

    Follow-up after re-checking my info. I read it wrong.. I see now that Taft was vetoing HB 12 which was designed to preempt local Open Carry Bans and the Legislature passed it anyway.
    Last edited by LkWd_Don; April 24th, 2012 at 07:33 PM. Reason: add in Follow-Up
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo View Post
    Where I live, Going Armed to the Terror of the Public (GATTOP) is not an uncommon charge - even though OC is legal. You don't have to always violate the "letter" of the law to cause trouble - for yourself and for others - you can simply act stupid and violate common sense and cause yourself or others issues.
    I cannot point you to one example of GATTTOTP being used successfully agains a lawful OC'er. I can point you to one example of it being used against an out of state OC'er that was in fact breaking the law, when no other charges were present. Most of the uses of GATTTOTP are in relation to it being an add on charge used against someone who is already breaking the law, or being incredibly stupid with a firearm. GATTTOTP is greatly overblown in relation to OC in NC. We have case law in NC to protect lawful OC'ers against GATTTOTP, State v Huntley.

    "But although a gun is an "unusual weapon," it is to be remembered that the carrying of a gun, per se, constitutes no (p.423)offence. For any lawful purpose--either of business or amusement--the citizen is at perfect liberty to carry his gun. It is the wicked purpose, and the mischievous result, which essentially constitute the crime. "

    STATE v. ROBERT S. HUNTLEY.
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    ChiefJason,

    Your right, its not successful. However, it is charged or threatened in the "civilized" parts of WNC - specifically Asheville. County deputies take a different look at things than your city police, for example, and any such charge is at the discretion of the officer. I had one LE tell me that if a call was made because of OC, then someone must have been "terrified" and so the charge would be levied. I have had most other LE shake their heads at such a comment and use the more rational position that if your being responsible and minding your own business then you would have no problem. All depends. Still, the mere existence of such a charge is kind of stupid since the original case made clear that threats were clearly uttered by Huntley. It should either be codified in statute or be done away with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo View Post
    It should either be codified in statute or be done away with.
    Total agreement there. I'm considering asking a local rep to introduce a true brandishing statute to replace it. Might have to do some more looking into it. One of our local reps is very pro 2a. And LEO's can certainly threaten the charge, or even levy the charge. It will just never stand up on it's own if you were simply OC'ing. FWIW, I've never had one even mention it and I've OC'd around NCSHP, local sheriff's, and city LE.
    I prefer to live dangerously free than safely caged!

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    @IDOpenCarry

    After awhile you will realize that the forum rules regarding insults attack and trolling only apply to the open carriers. As was stated, the forum is primarily a concealed carry focused forum. You would think that "Defensive Carry" would also apply to open carriers being equally a defensive type of carry, but, that doesn't appear to be the case here. The OC threads seem to exist to provide stress relief for the CC'ers.

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    I think this (below) was pretty much fine to hand out at a gun show where folks attending the show were/are already acclimated to and familiar with firearms.

    It would be great if you could have a different printable, friendly, information document that Open Carry citizens could hand out to the possible "gun apprehensive" general public should the need ever arise when a quickly available awareness tool might prove helpful.

    Starting off with something patriotic & non-confrontational. Inclusive of the 2nd Amendment & specifically Idaho Law as it pertains to Open Carry.

    Just something for you to "kick around" and consider.





    Quote Originally Posted by IDOpenCarry View Post
    DOES THE THOUGHT OF CARRYING OPENLY IN PUBLIC
    MAKE YOU NERVOUS, UNCOMFORTABLE OR FEARFUL?
    If so, then learning these few facts may help to settle your nerves and alleviate your fears.
    • Anthropologist Charles Springwood defined it well when he said that Open Carriers are trying to “naturalize the presence of guns, which means that guns become ordinary, omnipresent, and expected. Over time, the gun becomes a symbol of ordinary personhood.”
    • Open Carry is the first line of defense against the anti-gun groups and its first casualty in states where it is not practiced. If you don’t use it, you lose it. 95% of Idaho residents do not know you can Open Carry without a permit and we will lose our rights when we remain ignorant of them.
    • Finally, but equally important, we Open Carry for our defense – and - it allows criminals to make well informed decisions, which are unavailable to them when they are around those who Conceal Carry.
    The projected crime rate this year for the city of Boise will be:
    408 Aggravated assaults
    938 Burglaries
    109 Forcible Rapes
    8 Murders or Manslaughter
    74 Robberies
    It is unlikely that Open Carriers will experience the rapes, robberies, murders or assaults.
    “Open Carry is the beautiful bold face of the 2nd Amendment
    and the ultimate symbol of American freedom”

    I would appreciate your suggestions for improvement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LkWd_Don View Post
    If that is the case, then the source of my info was wrong, or I mis-read it. I thank you and will double check to see if I need make a note of the correction or report the correction to that site.

    Follow-up after re-checking my info. I read it wrong.. I see now that Taft was vetoing HB 12 which was designed to preempt local Open Carry Bans and the Legislature passed it anyway.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    snip~~ OC has long been legal in Ohio. Taft was the governor two administrations ago who vetoed the Concealed Carry bill, and had that veto over-ridden. ~~snip
    As you can see from above.. I may have been mistaken in how I read it.. But I was reading OC and not CC as you postulated.

    The fact that the Ohio State Legislature had to over-turn the Governors Veto of HB 12. They in effect saved that Legislation and the ability to carry openly. As without that action by the Legislature, Open Carry was at risk of restriction by various localities until at some point it would have been gone. Said a different way.. Open Carry had been at risk of being lost totally. And now by what you are saying.. Taft almost cost Ohio residents the ability to CC as well.
    Lets Unite and REMIND our Government that WE are the source of their authority and that WE demand our Rights be returned, Unabridged, Non-infringed, without denial or disparagement.

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    In case you are interested, here is the OC flyer for NC. I have printed these and given them out in the past. I did not come up with, or produce the flyer; I did make a few recommendations on content. Some folks carry these daily and give them to folks that have questions.

    https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9Sb...kdw/edit?pli=1
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    Quote Originally Posted by IDOpenCarry View Post
    Half our OC members in Idaho Open Carry are women and for the 98 forcible rapes that are forecast for Boise in 2012, I'd guarantee that none of the OC women will be forcibly raped.
    This is a pretty arrogant statement. A woman with a gun could be disarmed more easily than a man and then the attacker has a weapon he didn't have before hand. I would MUCH rather have my wife fly under the radar and CC than openly carrying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spec View Post
    Commiefornia ruined itself when the citizens didn't do their homework on who they were voting for. I mean to sum it up Nancy Pelosi came from Commiefornia so there is the problem as far as your anti-gun laws.

    OP it looks good. OC is going mainstream and if everyone is noticing Pistol sales are up and so are firearm sales in general. Concealed Permit classes are selling like hot cakes around here in the "D" and people don't just CC when they get their permits... Our CPL's here make OC alot easier
    Not sure how the last paragraph demonstrates proof of the writer's claim that OC is becoming mainstream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimberpackn View Post
    Not sure how the last paragraph demonstrates proof of the writer's claim that OC is becoming mainstream.
    You are right. One only has to look at the number of people actually doing it amd promoting it to see that it is becoming more accepted

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