This is a discussion on Ga man just won the OC/cop lottery within the Open Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by mlr1m Okay here is another analogy. This in in a State that allows open carry but it is frowned on. Mr. A ...
Mrs P (a person of minority color) knows she is not allowed to sit when a white man is standing; wheb a white man gets on the buss, she wants no trouble from the state so she gives up her seat and persons of minority color continue to ride in the back of the bus......
There are many on this site who are quick to jump on someone who is OC and get hassled by the police. But they never seem to have anything to say when someone who is CC does something that brings them to the attention of LE. I have always found that interesting.
The more I think about it, the more it seems to me that they are helping the anti-gun/anti-carry crowds spread their point of view. Someone who is anti open carry but fine with concealed carry is at least in part espousing the point of view of the anti-gun/carry groups.
I am also struck by the fact that I have NEVER once seen someone who is pro OC be anti CC. The same can not be said in reverse. There are many who are anti OC but pro CC and think that any of us who OC are stupid, or just headline seeking or something else. Every person I know who OC's is pro CC and pro OC. In fact, we are all just happy that those who carry are carrying, no matter which mode they decide on. But, I have interacted with many concealed carry advocates, on here and several in person, who are vehemently anti OC but who carry concealed. That just seems odd to me.
I don't understand that stand. I carry CC...I would never carry OC in public. I have my reasons, BUT I have nothing against a law abiding citizen carrying OC. Why should it bother me. It seems to be a personal choice...not something for debate.
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from all I have read in this case I would suport the guys actions. He is doing nothing wrong and has the recording device to show what was realy said. if that does not matxh the police report then it gives even more credit to his case. I am betting that sence he know he was recording, his lawsuit is using only the facts that are recorded.
I OC also when I feel like it and I say GREAT JOB not breaking any law and upholding not just his own but all of our civil rights.
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I guess some people must think that this is a documentary:
Open Carrier Discrimination - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 04/12/10 - Video Clip | Comedy Central
Slow is smooth.....smooth is fast.
Since you are so concerned about rights, I'd love to hear your position on discrimination against gays.
(That's rhetorical, I really couldn't care less about your stance.)
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Slow is smooth.....smooth is fast.
They are in effect discrimination against a particular group who are only exercising their rights. Discrimination does not only apply to sex or race. In this case the government is not enforcing any law as there is none to enforce on this issue.
On two other forums the police report is posted. The very first line (in LEO's own words), he was responding to a suspicious person with a gun call. He was not responding to a trespass call. The trespass was incurred only AFTER the officer prevented him from getting in his vehicle to leave. MWAG is legal here in Georgia (with a permit) OC'r had and provided the permit. There is no database of permit holders in Georgia. Each county has a judge that approves or denies the permits. Each county has its own format for the permit, including the format of the Date of Birth MM/DD/Year vs DD/MO/Year. Just because the officer couldn't decode the judges date doesn't make the OC in violation of any law.
When I first started OCing, I was advised by EVERYONE else that I should carry a small audio recorder, "Just in case." I do, but I don't OC so I can be "noticed." I OC because it's more comfortable than CCing, and I have faster access to my weapon, should I need it. Also, the weapons I carry for self defense are just too pretty to hide, in my personal opinion that is.
But, it seems to me that only an ANTI-OC CCer would come into this forum and talk about how if we carry a small audio recording device, we must be out to get attention. If I really wanted to get attention as I walked down the street, or through a park, I'd wear a min-skirt with 5 inch spiked heels......hey, there's an idea.
In case you missed the youtube videos, cops can and have violated our civil rights, and typically with less RAS than simply carrying a firearm. And after some of the stuff I've seen, I think I'd carry an audio recorder even if I didn't carry a gun at all.
But this is the worst excuse I hear to justify OC. With today's holsters and belts, ANY kind of carry can be comfortable. Hell, I even carry my 1911 OWB under just a T-shirt sometimes, nobody ever notices (cause it's THIN)
whadda moron! He and others like him make it tough for all of us. Just itching for a confrontation-yuk.