Wow OP bet you didn't think this post would turn on you did you. Its kinda funny how one poster can change the hole tone for a post, any other day every post would have been a good job way to stand your ground post. While I don't care for OC and the drama it can bring I will say good job standing your ground and not backing down to a unknowing cop just because it would have been the easy thing to do. Everyone talks tuff but it takes a guy with big ones to stand up to the law. Not being there I don't see anyway anyone could comment on your attitude as its fairly hard to tell attitude over a key board.
Here lies the body of Michael O'Day
Who died maintaining his right of way
He was right - dead right - as he sailed along
But he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong.
The OP "knew his rights", but managed to get shop employees, a public servant and himself all riled up when a simple act of covering up his sidearm could have defused the whole situation. You can profess to the whole world that you're right - but make yourself and many others miserable in the process.
My point is simply this: yes it is important to know your rights, yes it would be nice if everyone understood them as well as you do, but if you're going to make a "stand", I think doing it in a sandwich shop as the OP pursued it isn't going to win over any hearts and minds. Choose your battles wisely - and I don't think the OP did.
Personally, if I were in that exact position, I would have rather tucked and deescalated, as others have said, but I'm not a very confrontational person, either. Perhaps complying with the request of the employee while informing them about the law would have been the best tactic, but bravo for being informed and letting others know the law. I'm sure that the Subway franchise you attended is well-informed by now after that run-in.
And all of this from a newbie with only 6 posts.
If I am wrong then I apologize to the OP.
Great job OP. Now next time you go to that subway it will be posted with a no guns sign. I'd tell you how I really feel but then I'd get a 10 point penalty.
I'm not sure though. 10 points might be worth it. :danceban:
Thanx to websites like these I was very knowledgeable and stood my ground,the cop left very irritated because I was right and had a good filling dinner.thanx all for every bit of info u have posted on this subject.helped me out a lot.
to start out i did not have attitude one bit.but after i told the employee no i was not a cop and no i wouldnt do what he said, he just got a [edited] look on his face when he said he was goin to get " a higher power" to come deal with me.i shouldnt have been approached in the first place. i was minding my business, goin about my day.here in sw WA there are quite a few people that open carry, and i havent seen or heard of any issues.as far as the attitude.tired as hell, long day at work, and i was just wanting some dinner and to go home. so because people were not aware of the laws and rights i should be uneasy and understanding, when they dont know their rights and mine? shoot at the same time that the officer was talkin to me a mother of 3 with her 3 kids walked in saw the officer talkin to me and went about her day. didnt evern bother to act afraid or scared.her and the kids sat at the table directly in front of me and had their dinner. im not goin to be hiding my firearm and walk on egg shells just because people dont know the laws and are afraid for no reason. but thank you for your opinion. i most definately respect that.
And your adversarial attitude helped the cause of open carry???
people being comfortable is not my problem and not my every day goal.like i said, i was just minding my own business, goin about my day. trying to get some dinner.
ya i would like to think so.told them my rights, kept my cool,i wasnt commiting any crimes, and i stood up for myself.as i was leaving i went to the subway employee and appologized to him for causing the scene, then told him that they should be more informed about these types of laws.
Conflict is easy to find...