This is a discussion on To the non-OC'ers who frequent this part of the site.... within the Open Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by PIMking it wasn't meant as that, I just stating that in the old old old days that was the way it was. ...
Remember also that DefensiveCarry.com and (before that) Combatcarry.com was originally set up to be specifically focused as a "legal concealed carry" forum.
An Open Carry forum was not permitted on DC until long after its inception and back then....it was the Open Carry people who were always jumping onto DC (the Concealed Carry dedicated website) and constantly stirring the pot with confrontational and inflammatory posts and threads.
Some of our vintage and original Concealed Carry members still remember those fateful days so I'm guessing they sometimes offer up a bit of ingrained backlash.
Honestly one of the original reasons for the anamosity was that we had a lot of members (active and retired) in various Law Enforcement professions and they really did not like the posting of the Open Carry videos that were rude, smartass, and goading toward LEOs.
Because many of the LEOs were just pawns that were caught between a rock and a hard place regarding what they were ordered to do by their superiors and the crap that they had to endure out in the streets.
That created (rightly or wrongly) a good deal of ill feelings on DC because it was not an issue that CC folks ever had to contend with.
We used to just PM them about OpenCarry.org and then ban them. Some of them came here from OpenCarry.org but, didn't want to stay there because compared to DC it was a fairly dead and inactive site.
I'm personally glad that we do not have to do that anymore.
In fact....I just noticed that the Forum Rules Page needs to have the opening headed updated since it's still a carry over from when DC was Concealed Carry ONLY.
(see below) I'll need to revise that later on after I'm off of Mrs. QKs crappy laptop with the POS Internet connection.
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I click on "New Posts" instead of going sub-forum by sub-forum. Having said that, I don't give a hoot how you carry your gun. Thus, I don't really notice what section a thread is in.
The root problem you describe is that not only do most modern Americans feel that they should be able to live their own life in whatever manner they choose, but they also feel you and I should live our lives in whatever manner they choose.
Last edited by Rock and Glock; July 4th, 2012 at 10:59 PM.
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Here is a fact for you. The people on this forum make open carry a FAR bigger issue than 99% of the general public. When I OC PEOPLE DON'T CARE. In fact, most people have their cell phones so far up their ear they wouldn't notice if I had my AR strapped over my shoulder.
If you don't want to OC then don't do it, but stop lecturing those of us who do.
Just remember that conceal carry use to be frowned down on because you had something to hide...
Because it perpetuates the Us VS Them mentality on the forum where the majority of our members carry concealed and the insinuation of that statement would be that Concealed Carry is somehow "more sneaky" than Open Carry.
At least that is the way our members would respond to it. Completely aside from the fact that it's a historically incorrect statement.
"I'm being serious here. Help me understand why post #17 is inflammatory? I don't get it."
Because then that would force me to respond that....
No, actually that would be totally incorrect and when the Old West towns were fully established the open display of a firearm was frowned upon and considered to be roguish and uncivilized and that is why the early shoulder holsters were invented to conceal the larger "hog Leg" firearms under a jacket or a vest and that is why the smaller "pocket pistol" firearms and the Derringers and unique type firearms like the easily concealable Palm Pistol were created along with the first "pocket holsters."
So that civilized people and true "gentlemen" could conceal their personal protection away from (and out of) public view.
Or...cowboys who rode into towns to catch up on a hot bath and a few shots of whisky and a dance or two with a "purdy female" at the Dance Hall had to "check" their openly carried Six Shooters at the Sheriffs Office and pick them up again when they were on their way riding back OUT of town.
And that would start the entire OC VS CC debate all over again which is why I didn't post a reply to it until you asked.
But, regardless it does not have any bearing on Modern Times but, just to be historically correct the actual facts need to be posted for the historical record.
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First and foremost, regarding:
For those not understanding what this is referencing, see this thread: Changes to the Open Carry forumI am officially asking that the no open vs. concealed debate rule be instituted
And I agree with Bumper in that decision. Censoring commentary (other than that directly prohibited by forum rules, IE non-firearm related politics etc.) does not make for good debate or conversation. Not allowing negative commentary on a practice doesn't do a whole lot when people want to discuss the pros and cons of an issue. Where else should we enact such a policy? Should we prohibit negative commentary on 1911s? How about Hi Points? Should we not allow any negative commentary on those? How about Glocks? Taurus? Sig? Pick your flavor that you don't like and we'll just delete anything negative about that gun. What about holster makers? Should we go back to the days of not allowing people to voice complaints on holster makers that were basically ripping off our members?
No, we wouldn't do that and I don't see us doing that for the open carry section either.
While I'm sure that there is some content that is meant to be derisive in nature, as a whole this forum is not actively moderated in a manner where we go looking to issue infractions, we rely heavily on members reporting issues as they arise. Failure to do this, or combating poor behavior with like kind is a sure way to rush that particular sub-forum into its demise.
In reviewing reported posts from the open carry section, there have been ZERO reported posts in 2012 pointing out improper behavior or violation of forum rules/community standards.
If the issues aren't being reported, it's not going to get fixed. Typically, when things DO get reported is when members try to "sort things out" in the public forum and run afoul of the forum's rules regarding name calling & insults etc.
I'll take some time to read over the sub forum and see if there is legitimate cause for concern, but at a cursory glance, I'm not seeing it which leads me to not support a request to enact policy censoring one particular point of view.
I know QK has all ready quoted several of the forum's rules, but to recap.
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