This is a discussion on Here's a good video for all of us. within the Open Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by ericb327 Yeah, 20 plus OCers just happen to be dining together at the same place. It was planned! What other reason other ...
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Regardless, I fail to understand why a group of people who share a common interest (self defense and open carry) and who meet at a local establishment are "baiting." That really makes no sense to me.
Open carry means "open." For all to see. If you are doing something for all to see, and the cops appear, that is baiting?
I don't get it.
Yep, they're Profiling your dogIf a officer saw me walking my dog and decided to ask for my identification....I would have to show it.
It is not baiting, and that sub-topic is DONE. We are NOT debating OC, so if you can't stop yourself, leave before I show you the door. A few of you are on very short strings right now, and I will just deal with you and ask questions later, if you understand. If you don't understand, leave now and save me the trouble.
I tried to say this nicely before, and a couple of you just have to keep punching the button. I can play that game to, but my button is permanent.
Thank you! Carry on!
EDITED TO ADD:
When we originally opened this forum, I added a notation that this was not the place to "debate the virtues of open carry", essentially making it a protected forum. I have, since then, debated whether this was the right thing to do since we did not place any restrictions on other forums.
Open carry is a controversial subject, particularly when those that do OC do so specifically to garner attention to the practice. While we still discourage arguments over this topic, we will no longer offer "protection" for those who's practices invoke controversy. We now all stand on even ground but we will not hesitate to issue infractions for those that cross the line in comments and rebuttals.
If you can accept these changes, we will continue to welcome you to this forum. If not, there is another forum out there that may be more to your liking....
Last edited by Rock and Glock; July 8th, 2012 at 03:55 PM.
Thank you Rock and Glock.
Another reason to go to Steak 'n Shake. Exactly the place I was thinking of when I commented on the earlier OC post, "In sight, it must be right". Thanks to the manager for standing up for his customers and his right to conduct private business.
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Spirit 51 said in part..
In your "dog walking" example above, cops would have a pretty hard time arresting me on "obstruction of justice" for not showing them identification when I'm NOT carrying any.
OK back to the real point of the thread. What buffoon would walk up to a table full of families waiting for dinner and start pestering them with questions?
WHY DIDN'T THEY GET THERE AND OBSERVE THE SITUATION? WHY NOT ASK THE MANAGER WHO WAS CAUSING ALL THE TROUBLE?
When the management said "no one" they could have just gone away. Instead they need to pester a guy who is sitting calmly waiting for his food to arrive. Seriously, a monkey could have walked in there and realized that these people were just having dinner.
It is surely true that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. Nor can you make them grateful for your efforts.
Eric B 327 said in part...
Yep... cops ought to remember that sometimes THEIR actions with (and toward) the general public might tip the scales of Lady Justice. It doesn't take much for someone NOT to have heard a thing... let alone seen anything to begin with!
Don't forget... the shoe fits both ways.
Isn't public ignorance wonderful? It's gotta be a bit embarassing showing up with the whole cavalry then rolling up on the table with all of these horrible criminals. I think if I had a say in the LE's actions, one of them would be to detain the caller for about an hour to educate them on the proper use of 911.
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As to this vid vs the other, it's a lot less stressful when you've got 15 other people backing you up than when you're on your own - don't care who you are. We also don't know anything about how the encounter went with the guy that got singled out or what was said at the table, and the LEO's seemed more relaxed and less confrontational than the one in the other thread.