new permit, ONE BIG QUESTION

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    new permit, ONE BIG QUESTION

    I regret not asking our concealed license teacher the following:

    Can you verbally say u have a gun but still keep it concealed and obey the law (Florida)? Or if someone asks u if u have a gun, can u say u do?

    I was wondering if the concealed law is only visual - may seem to be a stupid question but considering how close to "fully automatic" many guns are now or how close to switchblade some knives are with assist i wouldn't be surprised if there is a close call on this count as well...

    Anyone? help please, i mean it just might be a GREAT idea to say u have a gun to diffuse a situation instead of having to brandish it and take it out of concealment... maybe george zimmerman could have said this as soon as his nose was punched?

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    Concealed means concealed. Verbally and visually

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    If the situation warrants it, an opponents knowledge of your possession of a gun should be gained visually not orally.
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    erick, txron,

    figured as much, that was my default position - even have planned answers to questioning... thanks, i'll take your word on it and do the double conceal...

    now i just wonder about family and friends... if they know they know, does that somehow make me a criminal? and based on my training u can have a perfect outline of a gun showing that u have a gun but no one can complain, as it is "concealed" by your shirt or whatever...

    so this does get ridiculous and just how thin a shirt can u have? ... open and concealed is the way... VERMONT... can be open or concealed...

    the NRA has done great work over time, but we still have a long way to go... like i can't carry my gun into a bar, EVEN with a permit... this is by far the most NEEDED place of all the restricted places in florida, the most likely some bad guy will have a gun, once again the good citizen is restricted giving criminals the advantage...

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    i just figured a verbal warning could be far better as to brandishing openly, at least as far as the law... and if the situation even allows pulling it out by law, why take they chance if u have a last chance to make a verbal warning work as u know u can still pull it out anyway (in whatever scenario and at whatever stage during a scuffle, multiple people, getting knocked down or whatever... "ESCALATION" is key as i have pepper and a blade at least, just as cops don't go directly to their guns always... sure, this may give the criminal more chances and time than he deserves but it could also look MUCH better in court that u gave the perp a chance...

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    Quote Originally Posted by McKahr View Post
    i just figured a verbal warning could be far better as to brandishing openly, at least as far as the law... and if the situation even allows pulling it out by law, why take they chance if u have a last chance to make a verbal warning work as u know u can still pull it out anyway (in whatever scenario and at whatever stage during a scuffle, multiple people, getting knocked down or whatever... "ESCALATION" is key as i have pepper and a blade at least, just as cops don't go directly to their guns always... sure, this may give the criminal more chances and time than he deserves but it could also look MUCH better in court that u gave the perp a chance...
    If you need your weapon, pull it out. If you do not need it, leave it in its holster. A verbal to someone trying to kill you, will do just that, get you killed....

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    You ever watched a movie... any movie with a murder scene.... The bad guy talks too much almost every time... And, if his yakitty yak doesn't get him killed... it at least let's the good guy get him first...

    Don't be a bad guy.

    What if one day... you say "don't do that, I have a gun..." And the guy says to you (in a similar vein as Crocodile Dundee) "You call that a gun?" whilst he pulls out his real-honest-to-gosh-fully-automatic-illegal-UZI and ends you...

    NO... Don't talk... don't tell... don't brag.... avoid stupid places,people and don't do stupid things...

    And if you can't afford a class... Get a book.... and read it 3 times... and take notes... which book?

    In the Gravest Extreme: The Role of the Firearm in Personal Protection By Massad Ayoob... Can't find the book? Go to the library... they will get a copy for you .. it might cost a buck or two for an interlibrary loan... But you get that book and you study it...

    Yes, in the book there is at least one incident in which a gun is displayed... But NEVER is it said "I've got a gun."

    You now have a permit... to carry a weapon... it is now time for you to quit worrying about who's is bigger..? who is the man? and all the other "grade school questions." Now is the time when you do your level best to avoid conflicts in which you might otherwise be tempted to say... "I've got a gun."

    No... and don't bring Zimmerman into this... telling TM he had a gun before or after he was allegedly on the ground would have done nothing... and According to Z he thought TM was going for his gun anyway... The TM/Z thing is completely irrelevant...

    Now... I've told you what I think is the BIG ANSWER to your BIG QUESTION.... But in case you don't read for comprehension the answer to your question is....


    NO


    Sorry for my snarkiness... I'm being direct and forthright with the answer I believe you need to hear.
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    INAL, but here's my take:
    Why would you tell anyone? - if they ask - lie (unless you're talking about LEO)
    If you are in a situation that warrants you drawing your weapon, draw; stating that you have access to a gun surrenders all advantages you had by carrying concealed in the first place - if armed, they can draw first and claim self defense since you "threatened them". If it hasn't escalated to that point where you are justified in presenting a weapon, stating you have one would amount to threatening someone with lethal force - then they've got your butt in a wringer.

    Guns aren't for diffusing situations, they are for definitively ending them.

    Getting punched in the nose is not a reason to pull out your gun or say you have one (see above) (generally speaking).

    What do you mean when you say guns are "close to being fully automatic"?

    The legalities of printing can vary from state to state, but it defeats the purpose/advantages of carrying concealed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nedrgr21 View Post
    What do you mean when you say guns are "close to being fully automatic"?
    I was thinkin' same thing...

    Maybe OP means no measuring blackpowder, loading wadding/bullet, primer, and so forth...
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    Depends on who's asking you. If it is a LEO in performance of his duties, yes by all means tell him, however don't go trying to show it to him. If it is Joe Blow on the street, just give him a stupid look, like you have no idea what he's talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    Depends on who's asking you. If it is a LEO in performance of his duties, yes by all means tell him, however don't go trying to show it to him. If it is Joe Blow on the street, just give him a stupid look, like you have no idea what he's talking about.

    Archer, are you advocating that in an encounter with LEO, in the performance of his duties, you should say..."I've got a gun!"?

    Nah... you AIN'T sayin' that, are you?

    How about "Officer, I have a legally permitted firearm on my person, I have a legal permit for same in my wallet.... How would you like me to proceed?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by McKahr View Post
    I regret not asking our concealed license teacher the following:

    Can you verbally say u have a gun but still keep it concealed and obey the law (Florida)? Or if someone asks u if u have a gun, can u say u do?

    I was wondering if the concealed law is only visual - may seem to be a stupid question but considering how close to "fully automatic" many guns are now or how close to switchblade some knives are with assist i wouldn't be surprised if there is a close call on this count as well...

    Anyone? help please, i mean it just might be a GREAT idea to say u have a gun to diffuse a situation instead of having to brandish it and take it out of concealment... maybe george zimmerman could have said this as soon as his nose was punched?
    The best place to get legal information is not a gun forum - no matter how well intended the advice/opinion - but from your local Permit Office or State Police if they are the enforcement head of gun-law. Go to the horse's mouth. They know the law far better than anyone else.
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    For the most part, the first time someone I don't know finds out I have a gun is when I'm shooting them with it. No, I've got a gun, here look at this, or anything. Put my life, or my families lives in danger and here it is, bang!
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