Why does it have to be OC Vs. Police?

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Originally Posted by Roon

Placing the blame entirely on one side is a little silly. You trying to tell me that there are not those in the OC community who do their best to create an us vs them mentality with the police?

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Apples and oranges, despite both being bad behaviors: one is unlawful, heavy-handed harassment of people going about their lawful business (speaking of the worst of the engagements); the other is merely bad, unyielding manners (speaking of the worst of the engagements).

I'm going out on a limb here, perhaps, but I'd bet the bad, stiff manners would largely cease the moment the stomping on lawful behavior ceased.

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Originally Posted by ccw9mm

I'm going out on a limb here, perhaps, but I'd bet the bad, stiff manners would largely cease the moment the stomping on lawful behavior ceased.

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A lot of it might go away, yes, but there will always be some people who don't care about what others do or think and will get aggressive regardless of what the LEOs do, and then there will always be those who have a disdain for authority and the government, and will try to stick it to LEOs at every opportunity.

Changes need to be made on both sides.

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Originally Posted by suntzu

But the LEO is paid to enforce the law..no more, no less.

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Yes. Which includes and covers general lookout for the safety of the community members ... but within the confines of the law, not beyond it or outside of it. :yup:

The only solution on a local level, is to organize and meet with the police chief. Hold the meeting at the town hall. Bring your state statutes, tell him the problem, focus on a standard procedure for handling Open Carry stops. All the chief has to do is issue a memo at roll call, shift change.

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Originally Posted by suntzu

There are idiots that try to get a rise out of the police. That is why they are called idiots. But the LEO is paid to enforce the law..no more, no less. That sir is a big difference. A LEO should dispassionatly enforce the law. Without bias or prejudiced. Being a jerk is not a reason to further investigate an individual.. Andif the LEO's were smart enough they should realize that most of these idiots actually do know the law and they end up being found not guilty .

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I get it, in a perfect world where our laws are enforced by those ROBOCOP robots this would happen. Sadly, we do not live in such an environment and thus must take a look at reality instead of what we think SHOULD happen. Please, don't mistake my playing devils advocate as me being supportive of police harassment...I am merely pointing out reality.

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Originally Posted by ccw9mm

Apples and oranges, despite both being bad behaviors: one is unlawful, heavy-handed harassment of people going about their lawful business (speaking of the worst of the engagements); the other is merely bad, unyielding manners (speaking of the worst of the engagements).

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I would say that it is probably a good thing that folks with bad, unyielding manners get roughed up from time to time. To quote Bill Burr "Every guy has a line, and if you cross it you get blasted in the mouth". Thats the reality of it...not saying its right...but it is what it is and perhaps a little understanding and more deliberate attempts to show a little kindness and understanding will help make that go away.

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I'm going out on a limb here, perhaps, but I'd bet the bad, stiff manners would largely cease the moment the stomping on lawful behavior ceased.

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Ahhh, so the old "he hit me first!!" argument?

@ Roon: Which is it" Is it OK to bust someones chops or not??????

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I would say that it is probably a good thing that folks with bad, unyielding manners get roughed up from time to time. To quote Bill Burr "Every guy has a line, and if you cross it you get blasted in the mouth". Thats the reality of it...not saying its right...but it is what it is and perhaps a little understanding and more deliberate attempts to show a little kindness and understanding will help make that go away.

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I would say that it is probably a good thing that folks with bad, unyielding manners get roughed up from time to time. To quote Bill Burr "Every guy has a line, and if you cross it you get blasted in the mouth". Thats the reality of it...not saying its right...but it is what it is and perhaps a little understanding and more deliberate attempts to show a little kindness and understanding will help make that go away.

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I'm not sure who it is you believe should be roughed up. The person who is using bad unyielding manners while unlawfully attempting to gather information. Or, the person who while acting within the law refuses to give out information while acting in a bad unyielding manner?
When both are acting in that bad unyielding manner which do we rough up? The one following the law or the one breaking it?

Michael

Keep it civil, on point, polite and nice please.