I commend you for your understanding of Terry v Ohio.
Originally Posted by glocknug
I would hazard that an Individual such as myself upon being approached by a Uniformed Officer and asked to produce Identification would know that you were operating in an Investigatory rather a friendly interaction. As such you're not Officer friendly you are the Government and you're not talking to me because you admire my BBQ rig.
But it seems as though some people try to make that 911 call that I a responding to an issue. Why cant we just have a simple conversation? You are not detained, but instead of it being a Police vs. OC situation... why not consent to a short conversation and make sure everything is fine? That way when the next 911 call comes in, if it does, we can simply tell our dispatchers that we already had a conversation with that individual and they are not a threat?
No it's not disrespectful, nor friendly despite the tone in which it is asked. What it is is Official and Authoritative.
As far as the ID thing goes... I admit, I ask for ID on EVERY call I go to, whether its this or somthing else. It is not disrespectful.
Again we agree, however there are numerous incidents of LEO wrongfully pressing the issue instead of showing your level of Professionalism and knowing when to walk away.
If you dont want to show it, ok... this shouldnt be a huge issue.
Only because you're acting in an Official Investigatory capacity, where you have no reason to believe a crime has been, is about to be, or is being committed.
We are just trying to figure out who we are talking to.
Your choice and certainly your right.
I have been stopped by the Police in neighboring jurisdictions while out with a pistol. They ask for my ID and I provide it. I explain to them why I had my gun, and they understand!
You voluntarily sought out and competed with others to obtain your position as a LEO knowing the risks associated with the Profession. If approaching an Individual lawfully armed (which you profess to agree with) who's not suspected of criminal activity is so scary and so dangerous why are you doing it? How does asking for ID make you safer? While you may have a departmental policy obligating you to respond to calls you have no obligation nor authority to Investigate lawful activity.
Keep in mind...
The majority of the time, we are NOT coming into contact with citizens following the law. Just like everybody on here who carries, We want to go home to our family at the end of our shift! I hate the us vs. them thing, and I hate that the uniform sometimes puts a target on your back. You have to understand why we are careful! People who carry are doing so to defend themselves against the BG, we are trying to help with that. Why not assist us with this?
Really? Do you approach other Uniformed LEO that you do not personally know and ask them to produce Identification?
A lot of OCers on here have probably had encounters with the Police as I have described. It doesnt have to be a negative thing! We are on the SAME TEAM!
I commend you for your efforts to better comprehend the complexity of such encounters and wish you a long and safe career.