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This is a discussion on Why does it have to be OC Vs. Police? within the Open Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by glocknug First off, I want to say that I do not usually open carry, although I am usually armed. I have absolutely ...
Here in western Colorado I OC everyday, just going about my daily life, I have bumped into some cops from time to time, perhaps it is because I am carrying I get a nod or a "good day" and we exchange a few pleasantries, because I carry a bit of an odd gun some have taken second looks think they know what it is but somethings not right and they have asked what I'm carrying. It's basically a 1911, but it is a Para-Ordnance and takes double stack mags, we talk guns for a minute and we go on our way. BUT if ever asked for ID during a casual encounter things will go from warm and pleasant to cold and distant at the speed of light!
I tend to think the guys that go looking for "encounters" are operating in an environment that is already OC hostile and like Rosa Parks refusing to give up her seat confrontation is seen as the best way to back the cops down, going along to get along won't change a thing.
If I am driving and get pulled over just for a license check I will be as irritated as if I were stopped while walking down the street and asked for ID. A request for ID MUST be as a result of RAS of a crime (speeding in the case of driving for example) you can not be stopped at random for no reason other than an ID check. ICE can't even do ID checks on obvious illegals why should I have to put up with it?!?!?!
Last edited by Rock and Glock; July 20th, 2012 at 02:38 PM.
It's my opinion that those who OC (myself included, at times) bring additional scrutiny to ourselves just by having a gun on us in plain sight. We should expect this from a concerned (yet ignorant) society, and learn to roll with it rather than getting upset that someone dares question us while exercising our right to carry our firearms around. Hopefully people will be better informed in the future, but we can't count on that. We can only control how we act, and I would hope that "confrontational" is not in our vocabulary, even when we are put in situations that aren't pleasant for us. When I get completely fed up with being questioned by LEOs, I will CC 100%, rather than start acting rudely.
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This is to the OP think of it this way say you r on a call racing though town with your lights and siren blaring and some one pulled out in front of u and stoped you. They then ask u to produce proper proof that you r law enforcement and called it in to see if it is legit. Shoot you could have stole the car and they just wanted to make sure you are acting under the law while you r speeding and disturbing the peace. Sounds pretty stupid doesnt it would b wasting your time when you had other pressing maters. Some of us feel the same way about being stopped in r every day life for doing nothing wrong or illegal. Just think about it. I don't try and waste your time I ask the same
In the case of a masked, helmeted, goggled dude in BDU's packing a rifle, multiple handguns and magazines galore desiring to walk into a packed gallery of generally (or fully) unarmed innocents, I'd say that's an entirely different situation, and one that should set off all sorts of alarm bells in anyone's head, including that of entry/exit staff as well as police.
A MWAG call in this theatre sort of situation (where someone's "loaded for bear") would have been solidly justified to have officers inquire, detain, evaluate. IMO, such a situation would loudly beg a question as to purpose for being so ... uh, prepared.
No explanation, so far, as to where he got in with all the clothing and hardware. Lacking better info (or assistance from someone opening the door from the inside), he might simply have packed it underneath a larger jacket. I'm sure it'll be reported at some point.
If he was open carrying his Glocks, an AK, and a Remington 870 - I'm pretty sure he would have been stopped.Originally Posted by Originally Posted by Maverickx5
Is it coincidence that in most violent shootings the weapons go unnoticed until the shooting starts? I think that's related to them being CONCEALED prior to the attack, they don't typically walk across a parking lot carrying 2-3 long guns, tear gas, gas mask, and holstered pistol out in the open and ask if you can hold the door open for them.
Regarding entry ... If the emergency exit door was close to shrubs/trees, it's entirely possible he stashed the gear just outside the door, went in as a "normal" paying customer, then ducked out the exit door to quickly don the mask and grab the guns, reentering via the door he'd propped open. Hard to say, at this point, with the conflicting stories.
OP needs to chill out and continue to do their jobs. And if that means responding due to their rules, then do the job period. If the OP does not like the requirement to respond, then he has the ability to ask for a review of the policy and maybe it will be changed. I can see valid reasons to check out calls about OC. Age, pulling it out of his holster, threatening others around them, etc.
If your job requires you to go out and investigate this kind of thing, then you need to do your job or find another occupation or a way to fix the policies of your superiors...
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Here we go again . We keep trying to assume that when a LEO intrerupts an OC person it is out of concern for the public or that he is some how just trying to be a nice guy.
that would be fine if it were the case.
That is not what they are up to they are pushing their own political agenda and using a badge to do it. The do not care one bit about anything else. If they did they would not be messing with a person acting with in the law they would be kicking in the door of the crack house two blocks down they have know about for a year. But can't do that to much bad press so lets go mess with the OC carry guy .
Truth is coming out again in Milwaukee police not taking reports of crimes, miss reporting to cover up the numbers . But they have time to "take any open OC to the ground and take their weapon" as per the chief of police. 4 more gunned down the other night in 4 hours not one LEO in sight.
That won't stop the Plaintiffs Bar from trying to extract legal blackmail. That should prompt most Agencies to be concerned.Actually there are numerous US Supreme Court rulings that the police have no duty to respond/protect anyoneThose are generalizations. Let's move past that, please.Here we go again . We keep trying to assume that when a LEO intrerupts an OC person it is out of concern for the public or that he is some how just trying to be a nice guy.
that would be fine if it were the case.
That is not what they are up to they are pushing their own political agenda and using a badge to do it. The do not care one bit about anything else. If they did they would not be messing with a person acting with in the law they would be kicking in the door of the crack house two blocks down they have know about for a year. But can't do that to much bad press so lets go mess with the OC carry guy .Fire Exits open outward. That explanation is incomplete it appears? Propped open earlier? Pressure handle taped down?One of the articles state he kicked in a fire exit IIRC.
What is clear is that he came in an Emergency exit somehow.
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