Oh...I understand that but, it's never about what makes sense or what is logical or even about what is right or wrong. It's all about what makes political hay and what scores the maximum amount of points with an uneducated,disinterested majority of the general public.
Welcome to the forum, BTW.
I have to disagree with thoes saying he should have CC'ed, for two reasons:
Granted the sign was unnoticeable to the point that even the officer said to fix it, its still posted property. If the sign meets the states requirements its illegal to carry CC or OC. Period!
Secondly, whether he knows about Aurora or not why should he have to change his ways? Considering that he cooperated and stayed for the movie, I would say he had NO intent of creating a panic. This isnt even in the same theater let alone same state as the shootings. If the sheep want to panic over every gun they see then let them. If no laws are being broken (not the case here of course) then he should be able to OC if he wants. Giving in to the comfort of the sheep? We may as well just hand over our 2A rights.
Dont get me wrong. I try to be aware of how I make others feel but if I am not in the wrong, generaly I dont care.
I'm all for taking a stand, to change things. But what's the goal of being armed: to make a point, or to remain armed and capable of presenting an effective defense against predation?Quote:
Secondly, whether he knows about Aurora or not why should he have to change his ways?
At the end of the day, the choice to go into that theatre with that mode of carry and to reenter after being disarmed meant one thing only: he was disarmed.
If the sinage does have force of the law then does it not go beyond ethical? If you stop an attack or murder with your firearm in a legally posted area will ethics matter?
I ask more for gain in knowledge than to question you or say your wrong. I honestly dont know.
As far as him returning unarmed, unfortunatley thats a choice he made for himself, whether any of us agree with that action or not. Frankly I would not have returned and would do my best to get a refund. I do not see how his choice of OC'ing being wrong for the comfort of others should matter though.
This thread is a good example of why there needs to be sign standards as in some states, TX comes to mind. In OH, the only standard is that there is a sign somewhere on the premesis. We have a theater - Springdale 18 - that is posted, but in such a poor manner as to make the signs virtually unnoticable. I had been there many times before I saw the signs. They are in about a 6 point font, at ankle level and not on every door.
After I saw the signs, I went back the next day to confirm what I had seen. To read the sign, actually be able to discern what it says, I had to get on my knees in front of the door. Obviously, I did this in the morning before they opened. In addition to the size of the sign, it is light text on a clear background and tends to blend in with the surroundings. Most people looking for these signs will fail to see them - BUT, they still have the force of law.
I do not go to that theater anymore and have not since the day I saw the sign 4 years ago (before getting my CCW). We have other options in town, but my point is if someone were carrying at the Springdale 18, they would be in violation of the law, but it would be totally understandable as management has not effectively posted their premesis. I would hope if management called the cops that the cops would act as the one in the OPs story and not arrest the CCer/OCer because they were unaware of the signage.
I have contacted my state reps and senators about this in the past, and they have no appetite for homogenizing no carry signs in the state. It seems to me that if you are going to hold people responsible for following sign laws, that the signs should be uniform in size, placement and content so that carriers have a chance. Just my $0.02.
Here are pics I took when I returned to see what the sign said. The last one is a pretty significant blow-up of the sign.
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I wouldn't have stood up. I would have kept my mouth shut and my gun on my person. But I live in a state where these signs do not carry the force of law.
While the original shooting occurred in CO, where these signs do not carry the force of law, OP's story occurred in TN, where these signs do carry the force of law.
IMO these laws and signs are unconstitutional and must be banned by federal law. Gun-free zones are public hazards.
Bad call on the state's part. Bad call on the employee's part. Bad call on the policeman's part. Bad call on the CCWs who made themselves known.
The sign says "Unless otherwise authorized by law.........". Is a permit/license "authorization" e.g. your concealed carry license or permit "authorization" by law?
Understood, and that clarifies the matter. Colorado has some weird signage with respect to OC that uses the "authorized under the law" blah blah blah.............Quote:
No. Good thought, but that is the AG's preferred language in OH to bar weapons. Cops are the otherwise authorized class in that sign.