One of the standards used in determining what was/is legal and what is not is what a reasonable and prudent person would think or do.
The first question asked is "Was the officer/person legally there or conducting a legal activity in the first place?" If the answer to that question is no then everything after that is a mute point. It does not make a bit of difference how good your intentions are if you fail that first question you are done.
Places that are posted have to have certain signage and so on agree with that but in theory the fact that the theatre implied or posted their intentions "could"have a legal holding if anything ever happened and a firearm was used. My home state the signs have force of law and I respect the businesses right to post their property. As I have stated my right to carry does not trample their right to say what comes on their property.
If you don't want to go there because the business is posted don't go it is that simple. If you choose to carry in a posted place and are put in a position to use your firearm, justified or not, you can/will go to jail as you fail the first part of the test it is simple as that.
Armyman. The right of a business owner to post/not to post or determine who or what comes into his place of business is nationwide not just state by state and not just in regards to firearms.
Yes each state has there own regulations whether or not to allow a business to post in regards to firearms allowed in their business. Yes if they are going to post a sign that carries the weight of law then it should conform to the guidelines needed. Again you make your own choices in regards to you and yours going to a place that does not allow firearms but in the end they really do not care.
If you choose not to support them then you again have to make the choice as to which ones you will do businees with but should you choose to not support any business or person that is anti gun you will end up leading a pretty boring life. Your kids would have to be home schooled, you would have to provide your own medical care, you could not hold a union job as all mentioned have organizations that are anti gun.
But the choice is yours. There have been many discussions on the forum in regards to carrying in posted areas contrary to their states laws and it is a personal choice. Do you as a law abiding citizen obey the law and disarm before entering or do you knowingly break the law and carry anyway? The choice is yours and you face whatever comes about if you have to use your weapon in self defense.
Sign not noticeable! Don't know if signs hold weight of law in "whatever state this is". Just love how some internet news reports give the city but not the state. So the two CC individuals were not even noticed. If the OC individual had CC'd instead, then none of the three would have been called out. I think I would have asked for a refund and just left. I guess the OC blew it for all three of them. One example why OC does not always work.
As a law-abiding citizen I comply with intrusive permit requirements and intrusive background checks. I keep my paperwork updated, I even over-pay my taxes. I comply with all legal requirements no matter how retarded they are, even leaving my firearm in my car while at my child's school (yes, permitted carriers should be allowed to carry onto any school grounds, just like Oregon). I'm not a bad person just because I ignore your little policy.Quote:
Do “No Gun Signs” Have the Force of Law?
“No Firearm” signs in South Dakota have no force of law unless they are posted on property that is
specifically mentioned in State Law as being off limits to those with a Permit/License to Carry.
I think you are misunderstanding to a point what I am saying.
I realize that regulations regarding firearms in a private business are state by state. The right of a business to enact "rules" as to who can come onto their property (No shirt, no shoes, no service type thing) is in every state and is enforceable, in many cases under criminal trespass statutes.
In regards to schools, unions and medical care I was referring to the PTA (or whatever they are called now), the Association of School Administrators, ER Nurses Associations, the American Medical Association and so on that are anti gun. In many cases, some would say, simply by sending your child to school, taking them to the doctor, going to a movie with a particular actor, buying a CD by certain musicians you are in fact supporting the anti gun movement by using their services or buying their products.
If you use TriCare through the military many of their providers do not allow firearms to be carried on their premises and as stated the organizations they belong to and are licensed by are anti gun.
As we both have stated it goes state by state in regards to the weight of law in regards to the signs. Many carry concealed regardless of the signs or whether they carry the weight of law or not and that is a personal choice but should you carry in a place that is posted and the posting carries weight should you have to use your weapon you will not be covered.
So on the last screen shot that is posted, it says "Unless otherwise authorized by law, no person shall knowingly posesses, have under the person's control, convey, yadda yadda yadda....." So does my CCW license / permit authorize me to carry my weapon ??? Just a thought.....I am not a lawyer nor do I play one on TV, so please let me know. God Bless :smile:
Question for you ArmyMan. If someone comes to your house, do you expect them to abide by the rules you have for your home, or are they allowed to do whatever they feel like doing? If you expect them to abide by your rules what is the difference between your house and someones business?
Having owned my own business, if I posted a requirement, I expected it to be followed. A customer had a choice, either follow my rules, in the place where I paid the bills, or stay out.