This is a discussion on Inviting A “Stop and Frisk” By Openly Carrying within the Open Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by mlr1m I see the difference as well as the similarities. These similarities are that both are examples of legal carry. No laws ...
Duplicate post .... my apologies.
Keep in mind how quick this conversation elevates between gun lovers..... preaching to the choir so to speak. Move this conversation to none gun owners or to people on the fence so to speak and one should be able to see how people we are discussing do not help our cause.
I will say again, if most of us saw a group of thug dressed black men doing the same, in your neighborhood or the park your childern are in... the conversation might be different
My opinion on all of these threads when this subject comes is is consistent. If you do not know if I am breaking a law why am I being stopped? Arrest me now or let me be on my way. As I said, if we allow them to do it to someone who we do not approve of what will prevent them from doing it to us?
Last edited by mlr1m; August 31st, 2012 at 01:09 PM. Reason: I made an oopsie
Sometimes its hard to determine whether or not a person is serious when we only using text. I truly hope your comment was in jest.
It's like the opposite of Bait Car. It's "Bait Gun" and its for the cops. Really stupid, but kinda hilarious. I doubt he'll win anything. I can think of much worse things that tax dollars are spent on, though.
just a straight up opinion from me on it...
If I saw some dude walking around like this guy was, looking like some kinda wannabe commando in the middle of a national park, I'd be doing two things. 1, I be looking for any friends he might be communicating with. 2, alerting the Authorities to some very odd dude that just looks outa place that they might want to check out. My 2nd amendment rights would be so far down the ladder it's not even funny. With all the Timothy James "Tim" McVeighs and James Holmes clowns running around, can we really be so relaxed with our preparedness? That's something each of us must ask ourselves first and foremost IMO, the whole (it's his right to carry that) thing comes after as far as I'm concerned...
court document listed in the article?The reason it took that long was that the officers were honoring his requests. ..I'd love to see the actual time lime from when the request for a supervisor was made and the events leading up to his arrival, sometimes officers are busy doing policely business when not responding to bogus MWAG calls....but I wouldn't be surprised if it was "Yeah, I'll be right there, as soon as I get done with lunch"Ward found Embody in a parking lot and ordered him to the ground at gun point.
Without arresting Embody, Ward removed the gun, patted him for other weapons and
detained him. When the Nashville police officers arrived, Ward explained his concern
that Embody’s weapon was illegal, and the officers conducted a weapons check to
determine the gun’s status. Meanwhile, Embody requested the presence of a police
supervisor, even after the Nashville officers advised him it would delay his release.
Once the officers confirmed that the firearm fit the definition of a handgun under state
law, Ward returned the gun to Embody and released him. The incident lasted about two and-
Yes, the thing he was carrying is a pistol, but due to the nature of that pistol and the painted orange tip it raised reasonable suspicion as to the nature of that firearm He was not arrested, he was not charged with anything, he wanted a supervisor on scene and had to wait for one. They checked out the gun, he was released WITH HIS GUN and he tried to sue them for their actions.
I'm sorry, but that's just stupid in my opinion. The firearm was a half inch from being illegal, the difference between a pistol and an NFA item can be pretty slim...I don't really fault a park ranger for not being well informed on NFA items etc.
We either want a Government that obeys the laws the same as its citizens are supposed to do or do we want a Government that is above the laws it is sworn to uphold.
I'm not really seeing where anyone's rights were violated. A guy went out of his way to seek attention (not his first or last time, and his permit has since been revoked and last I heard he lost his appeal on that one too.) was checked out, and was free to go with his gun...
What exactly was the point of injustice or where laws were violated/disobeyed and not upheld?
It’s irresponsible idiots like this who give gun owners a bad name, and virtuous for the auti-gun lobby groups.