He is going after both departments from what I've heard.
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Bet hes on OCDO crying about how they "harrassed" him.
He is going after both departments from what I've heard.
Hopefully pro gun people that saw him alternating between OC and CC will step up and become witnesses that he was concealing his gun,then I'm betting any lawyer he has will say Sayonara buddy
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This needs to be addressed in the strongest possible way, by law enforcement, and by other carriers. Jerks like him are hurting the rest of us. People see him and think to themselves, "Look, there goes another gun nut. Why should we respect their "rights" to carry guns when they can't even respect the law?" I for one don't want to have anything to do with people like this jerk. I hope we can all agree on that. Note, I'm not talking about carriers who are within the law, although there are many "baiters" in that category as well. I'm talking specifically about people who go out with a HUGE chip on their shoulders, and who either don't know the law, or just plain don't care about the law.
It's usually easy to spot a baiter, the first words out of their mouth will be quoting the law by title, chapter, paragraph. Their buddy following along with a video cam is usually a good sign it's a baiter also.
What people have to realize with baiters, is they don't care about OC or CC or carrying in general. All they are after is their 1 minute of You Tube fame. If people got upset about pink shirts, they'd be out in different shades of pink shirt, trying to get a video about it to post.
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I'm of the mindset that no one makes LEO's take the bait and should just leave these guys alone. I can understand why the knowledge of a concealed holster and eyewitness accounts can lead to demanding permit. But, how is he "making" the departments look bad? - they were either professional and knew the statutes or they didn't. Kinda sounds like a new officer got some OJT; be professional, learn a lesson, and move on. Seems there's more to the story if it went so far as to him bringing legal action or formal complaint against the departments. Is there a video available? - the one's I've seen show the encounter from start to finish, so there's no "making" anyone look bad, either they were or were not polite, professional, courteous, etc (on the parts of the LEO and OC'er alike).
Or they repeat over and over - "Am I being detained?" "Am I free to go?" I saw one the other day where some guy went to pick up his cell phone/camera that had been previously confiscated, and 3 buddies following him - each with a video camera! These people that go out and purposely bait the LEO's are not only hurting the 2A cause, they are wasting the LEO's time when they could be catching real bad guys instead of babysitting idiots who try to goad the cops into some kind of reaction then run home, kick mommy off the computer and rush to put their video on You Tube to show how they were "oppresed" by the police.
There are possibly two separate but related issues with regard to "baiters." Certainly one can make the argument that LEO's should know the law and remain professional and not take the bait. Fair enough. However, leaving it at that is doing all of us a disservice. The actions of the "baiters" needs to be addressed as well. In this case, as it was relayed to us, the carrier had broken the law when he refused to produce his permit. I'm sure the guy is putting his own spin on it on his youtube account. It doesn't matter if it shows the whole thing start to finish or not. He can add his own exposition in the video description, in which case many, if not most of his viewers will read his interpretation of the events and believe that they are indeed watching the situation as he describes it.
I repeat what I said before, situations like this need to be addressed in the strongest possible way, not only by law enforcement (to the extent allowed by law), but also by the carry community at large. If we don't stand up and say we deserve to be represented by positive, law-abiding carriers, rather than jerks like this who do nothing but hurt the cause of legal, responsible gun ownership, then we will deserve whatever fate awaits us.
This guy did screw up by switching btwn CC and OC and then refusing to show a permit. However, generally speaking, if LEO's didn't take the bait, there would be nothing for the baiters to complain about, no videos, and no chance for these guys to make anyone look bad, LEO's, themselves, or OC'ers.
Up until the point they are needlessly confronted by LEO's, they are no different than any other OC'er w/o a camera.
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Fortunately it did not make the news. I bet I know he name of the attorney he goes to to sue the city. I
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OC serves little purpose in my opinion. I do not OC even though legal in my state. I much prefer to be ready with a concealed, effective, readily available weapon and maintain the element of unknown and surprise. OC is kinda like playing poker and letting everyone at the table see your hand.
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