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OC Baiting: Two Edged Sword?

This is a discussion on OC Baiting: Two Edged Sword? within the Open Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by SmokinFool If that is your takeaway from this discussion then you have missed the point. The difference is attitude and intent. Any ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokinFool View Post
    If that is your takeaway from this discussion then you have missed the point. The difference is attitude and intent. Any keen observer of human behavior knows that attitude and intent can (notice I said can, not always does) betray themselves in how a person acts.
    So if I understand you correctly as I wouldnt want to miss the point, open carry is OK (where legal) as long as you display the proper attitude and intent. Would that be a fair statement? I cant even address the "keen observer of human behavior" comment. If a person is acting like the southbound end of a northbound horse and gets stopped to see if there is an issue. I have no beefs with that. If they are not acting out with "attitude and intent", I would expect them to be left alone. That's just the unkeen observer of human behavior in me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief1297 View Post
    So if I understand you correctly as I wouldnt want to miss the point, open carry is OK (where legal) as long as you display the proper attitude and intent. Would that be a fair statement? I cant even address the "keen observer of human behavior" comment. If a person is acting like the southbound end of a northbound horse and gets stopped to see if there is an issue. I have no beefs with that. If they are not acting out with "attitude and intent", I would expect them to be left alone. That's just the unkeen observer of human behavior in me.
    Assuming you've read any number of my posts on the subject, you know I have no problem with the way you summarize the idea above. We do not disagree. The typical OC ninja betrays his attitude and and intent. In fact he typically cannot help himself from doing so. This is what we see in the vast majority of youtube videos about harassment from LEO's, and what is meant by term "open carry ninja."

    As to my comment regarding being a "keen observer of human behavior," I have a degree in behavioral psychology, however, one doesn't need a degree to recognize most OC ninjas when we see one.

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    Re: OC Baiting: Two Edged Sword?

    I can't explain the difference between nudity and porn, but I know it when I see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder71 View Post
    I can't explain the difference between nudity and porn, but I know it when I see it.

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    LOL. Yeah, something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokinFool View Post
    As to my comment regarding being a "keen observer of human behavior," I have a degree in behavioral psychology, however, one doesn't need a degree to recognize most OC ninjas when we see one.
    Something told me you were college educated in a psychology related field. Maybe until all responding police officers reach your level of expertise, they can leave the label of OC ninja to the experts and just follow the law. If they dont know what the law is, I dont think i want them evaluating my "ninjaness" levels either. Just a recommendation based on my humble mental capacities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder71 View Post
    I can't explain the difference between nudity and porn, but I know it when I see it.

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    I did laugh at your response as I thought it was a good one. In reality, the difference between porn and nudity differs with each observer. Someone's "ninjaness" factor will also differ with each officer. That is why subjective criteria should be removed from the situation. Is the OC'er breaking the law? Has he/she committed a crime or do I have reason to suspect that they did? I will admit it seems easy enough to sit here and type about but is more challenging during practical application as I know first hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief1297 View Post
    Something told me you were college educated in a psychology related field. Maybe until all responding police officers reach your level of expertise, they can leave the label of OC ninja to the experts and just follow the law. If they dont know what the law is, I dont think i want them evaluating my "ninjaness" levels either. Just a recommendation based on my humble mental capacities.
    I'm sure your "humble mental capacities" are are as keen as anyone's. Hey, we're all on the same side here. We simply disagree on some issues. No big deal. The world would be much less interesting, though admittedly much better off in a lot of ways if everyone agreed on everything. I agree with you that in a perfect world people wouldn't bait, and LEOS wouldn't respond to baiters. But, this being far from a perfect world, ninjas will be ninjas and LEOS will have to follow up on certain cases of them and determine their "ninjaness."

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokinFool View Post
    I agree with you that in a perfect world people wouldn't bait, and LEOS wouldn't respond to baiters. But, this being far from a perfect world, ninjas will be ninjas and LEOS will have to follow up on certain cases of them and determine their "ninjaness."
    Cant stand games on either side and your last sentance will be the most likely path. That we agree on. As long as people can live with the concept that just because a person open carry's, doesnt mean they are trying to be ninjas who should be accosted at any means. Some people just cant get by open carry and it is their issue to deal with.
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    When did some people become so full of themselves that they feel it necessary to talk down on someone for doing something they don't personally choose to do? Why can't I, as a responsible adult, carry a gun on my belt openly without someone thinking I'm doing it for attention? Your Hawaiian shirt is louder than my holstered gun, I assure you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder71 View Post
    Why can't I, as a responsible adult, carry a gun on my belt openly without someone thinking I'm doing it for attention?
    Because you are doing it for attention...come on, admit it...no really...LOL...you must now change your handle to thunder ninja just for contemplating open carry!!! By the way, I have dyed all my Hawaiian shirts black so you can’t see me!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief1297 View Post
    Cant stand games on either side and your last sentance will be the most likely path. That we agree on. As long as people can live with the concept that just because a person open carry's, doesnt mean they are trying to be ninjas who should be accosted at any means. Some people just cant get by open carry and it is their issue to deal with.
    Yep. Shame too. I like OC'ing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder71 View Post
    When did some people become so full of themselves that they feel it necessary to talk down on someone for doing something they don't personally choose to do? Why can't I, as a responsible adult, carry a gun on my belt openly without someone thinking I'm doing it for attention? Your Hawaiian shirt is louder than my holstered gun, I assure you.

    Meh, I still don't feel better... next topic.
    LOL. I like that! And it's very true!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty901 View Post
    No different than the Madison City police trying to tell us we can not fly American flags on our bikes because it offends others . So what.
    Whoa there. That's one of my pet peeves. (As I am sure it is many of yours.) There is NO PLACE inside the boarders of our own country where Old Glory should not be welcome, revered, respected and loved. IF ANYONE is offended by OLD GLORY waving in the wind it is them that has no place inside the same boarders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JXavierClay View Post
    Whoa there. That's one of my pet peeves. (As I am sure it is many of yours.) There is NO PLACE inside the boarders of our own country where Old Glory should not be welcome, revered, respected and loved. IF ANYONE is offended by OLD GLORY waving in the wind it is them that has no place inside the same boarders.
    Try telling that to the idiotic HoAs here in Fl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John_Bender View Post
    Officer: Get the **** down, now!
    Me: Holy crap, someone is in deep doo doo!
    Officer: You, with the gun, get down NOW!
    Me: Before I can put 2 and 2 together I'm laying face first in the dirt with my arm shoved up behind my head, handcuffs clicking.

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    you must live in Minneapolis
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