Roger Rocky. I was posting as you were.
Roger Rocky. I was posting as you were.
I have read some good posts about this incident and I agree with some but not all. I watched the video three times this morning and IMO, the guy violated no law and did as the officer directed. The interaction between the officer and video guy should have ended, then and there, but the officer chose to follow the guy and confront him, and did so, and called for backup. The two LEO's then attempted to trample on the guys rights either willfully or because of the lack of training, but failed because the guy new his rights and refused to give in. Incidents where LEO's trample on our rights are common occurrence. Why do we not see reports of such willful violations? If a complaint/lawsuit is brought forward against an officer(s) they are reviewed by the Chief, town/city/ county manager and the departments/town/city/county attorney, and as in this case if it had escalated to an arrest, I am quite sure all, based on the video, would have recommended an out of court settlement. Why? To prevent or reduce the bad press, a long drawn out court case, the departments possible high defense legal costs and union involvement.
open carry is legal in my state, but doesn't mean i should just intentionally walk up to an officer who is doing his job. It's just dumb.
this idiot was intentionally looking for a confrontation. It's not like he was just strolling along minding his own business and the cop demanded an ID. com'on.. It's legal to OC, but let's not be an idiot.
I'm fighting the urge to post on the You tube page. I made a New Years resolution.
Anyone who takes a camera while he's open carry is taking up valuble time as police have much better things to do.
This guy looking to antaganize the first cop who stopped him!We do not need this type of behavior in any community
in light of all the trageties we've had. This guy would be the first to cry if someone was at his workplace video taping
him at his employment.Anyone who's worked in management has one; he's the ass that takes up 80 percent of my time
coaching him and making sure I've cya. The eighty twenty rule is appropriate.I could go on but I'd be redundant!
I'm all for defending our rights. But men and women who wander around, openly armed, and carrying rolling video cameras are looking for an encounter. For a political statement, for youtube fame, whatever. Its stupid. Its a waste of officers time. Its all over the internet and it inspires stupidity in others.
How hard is it, and how much of an inconvenience is it to show your ID to a police officer upon request? Its not a violation of your rights. Segregation is a violation of your rights. Being held without trial is a violation of your rights. Not getting a fair trial is a violation of your rights. Showing your ID, even when not legally required to, is not.
I've been asked for ID before for no other reason that a police officer wanted to confirm my legal ability to carry a firearm. I handed it over. a minute or so later, I got it back with a 'thank you for your cooperation and have a nice day'. How hard was that? It wasn't. It didn't ruin my day. It didn't make me late for anything. It was out of professional respect that I complied. That, and a wish for not prolonging the situation and/or making it worse.
Stop with the 'I'm not required to show you ID officer. Statute blah blah blah. What am I doing wrong officer? Why are you asking for ID officer? Am I being detained officer?' Just shut up, show your ID and be on your way.
It's just not a good idea to antagonize the police. It may be legal to open carry where he is,but how do the police know he is eligable to be in possession of a hand gun. How do they know he is not a convicted felon. In this situation I have to agree with the police, just show me yourm ID so I can assure my safety, and your NOT breaking any laws. Put yourself in their shoes. An unknown threat with a gun, maybe he's a GG and maybe he's a BG. That's red alert, or you haven't been paying attention in situational awareness class.
That is a great guideline for what not to do
Traffic stops are very dangerous for LEO's - wrt any and all occupants in the vehicle and traffic. Anyone approaching a stop is distracting the officer and thus interfering with him/her doing his/her duty. I'm normally on the side of the OC'er in these vids, but this guy was a jerk and got exactly what he deserved - actually he deserved to be proned out when he approached the stop.
I haven't read the whole thread, but, based on some of the initial responses, some of you have a very uneducated opinion on law enforcement matters. I will defend the second amendment and the right to carry, open or concealed, to the death, but I am also a law enforcement officer and I live in reality. As a citizen it is your right to film police in public and, in many jurisdictions, open carry is legal. However, it is not legal to intentionally introduce yourself into a law enforcement officers official business, especially with a camera and a gun. That is a very real threat to the officer and the other party involved. When I am on duty nobody will approach me while I am conducting business; if they do, they will receive a serious verbal warning. If that someone has a firearm and is uncooperative then they will be met by the muzzle end of mine and they will be introduced to handcuffs. I don't require that citizens respect me or my position, but they will do what they are told, like it or not.
Some of you also need to learn about reasonable suspicion and probable cause. You don't have to "do anything wrong" to be stopped and detained by the police. You only have to be present in circumstances where a reasonable person would suspect that you are, were, or are going to be involved in criminal behavior. Approaching an officer who is on official business while you have a firearm is an officer safety issue and meets that criteria.
I stand with many other honest hard working people who believe in rights and the constitution, as an LEO I will tell you like I have told many people before, I am certain that I have a better understanding of the laws in my jurisdiction than you do, I am a duely certified and appointed police officer, and have a good relationship with me district attorney and understand how he interprets law and if I have the reasonable assurance that if I make a decision to prone you out for not giving me space to execute my duties as a peace office, check your I.D. and determine you are or aren't legally allowed to have the weapon (OK LAW you must have an OK self defense act card which identifies you as legal to carry openly) I then determine if your behavior has interfered with my official duties which for sake of argument I believe you have, you are getting a ride to county lock up.
Everyone has their own interpertation of the law, realize your views may or may not be the views of the DA in your area and therfore you will loose. Dont come on here and view some stupid youtube video and sharpshoot someone whom you will never walk in their shoes. The idiots that go out looking for **** to stir up are the reason why serious lawful gun owners and peopoe who are carrying concealed feel like their rights are stripped away with new gun legislation. I know I know your right and I am wrong you have all this worldly knowledge about how the life of an LEO is in no danger even in the slightest because of some attention seeking @sshole.