Sorry for the dbbl post by the way.:redface:
Sorry for the dbbl post by the way.:redface:
You must remember that criminal statute books are extremely thick. You have the right to remain silent and, more often than not, you are only required to identify yourself to police..nothing more. With that said, your failure to cooperate and answer simple, reasonable questions could land you in jail for something stupid like failure to update your driver's license or having an expired insurance card. People like to play games with police for many reasons: they want to be smart a**es, they try to exert rights that don't apply to the situation, they are guilty and think they will outsmart the officer, etc. Sometimes this behavior works in their favor. Fortunately, police have many more games with real consequences. More often than not police know your rights better than you do. Again, this isn't always the case, but it generally is.
Remember that quaint old saying "to protect and serve?"
It has now become "to harrass and intimidate."
It's just a matter of time before the other sides starts emulating this. Walking around with ARs, making us look bad.
Protect and Serve can be found on squad cars all over the country. End of conversation.
If I had an expired license plate insurance card something petty like that and a clean record, havent done anything wrong except in your eyes that I didnt answer some ridiculous question you had no buisness asking in the first place we both know you are not going to take me to jail. Youll write me a ticket and Ill be on my way. You could arrest but over a traffic violation like a expired plate if you do that often at all your chief will be down you throat. Some of us arent stupid and for all you know may have at one time done the job your doing and just dont advertise it. And know the ropes. Especially in KY.
Since we live in the same state you might have chance to pull me over sometime for some minor reason. If you do I will give you whatever Id you want. Tell you im carrying and give you every courtesy even to getting off the road so you dont have to be near traffic if at all possible because I value your safety. Ill answer anything you want thats remotely relevant. Chat with you about fishing if you want. I wont be guilty of anything other maybe speeding a little because I dont rob deal drugs etc etc.
Depending on your attitude dealing with me I might even tell you where ive come from and where im going. Heck I might let you search my car if Im in a car and not on a bike.
Get up on your badge and start riding it around like a magic carpet trying to intimidate me for the sake of proving how hard you are, and we both know there are a few officers like that, then ill still be courteous to you but where ive come from and where im going youlll have to check your offical LE crystal ball for. Want to arrest me in the state of Ky for a expired licence plate and jail me instead of writing a citation which is SOP and explain it to your commanding officer and the judge in court. Have at it.
Now you in this discussion im using in a generic sense. For all I know you are the nicest LEO in the state. Some are hard heads with something to prove and all im saying is I aint the one to prove it with by asking me what size underwear i have on where ive come from where im going or what my wifes bra size is.:wave:
You keep mentioning that police don't have the right to ask you x, y, or z. This is not correct. If I make a stop I have the right to ask you anything I want. I can ask you where you came from, where you're going, how much you've had to drink, what your fifth grade math teacher's name was, or where you get your haircut. You also have the right not to answer, but that doesn't mean the question was invalid. If you are wandering around an apartment complex with no apparent purpose then you do have to tell me where you are going and who you are there to visit. If you don't then you will be arrested for trespassing.
As I tried to explain to the other poster, my job is to arrest real criminals and take them off the street. Doing that involves investigating a lot of people until I find the right one. Sometimes innocent people are suspicious and, if they are not engaged in criminal activity, then they are released after a short investigation. If they don't want to cooperate and choose to go down the hard road then I can assure you I will win. I know my limitations and what I can and can't do legally. I don't engage in confrontations I can't win and I don't make threats I can't back up.
Unfortunately the Constitution and rights in general are often misinterpretated. People think they can't be stopped or detained by the police and they think the U.S. is a free country. It's not. We do have many freedoms, but there are still laws, rules, and regulations that must be followed and police are responsible for their enforcement. The Supreme Court has decided this and created probable cause and reasonable suspicion. The whole criminal justice system is based on reasonableness and if I can articulate reasonable reasons for doing what I did then I will win every time.
There is a difference between being a public servant and providing a public service. I serve no one and will not be treated as a servant. I provide a service to the community and to the court system. That service often involves citing or arresting those who think I serve them. My job is not to protect and serve YOU it is to protect and serve the public as a whole.
You really need to do some research on law enforcement because, as I said, you have been seriously misguided somewhere along the way.
The guy wasn't randomly looking for cops to approach. It was his girlfriend that got pulled over, right? Obviously, he was prepared for the inevitable confrontation with the police. You may not like his methods, but the law is the law. If he didn't do anything illegal, why is the cop even talking to him? Why ask for his ID? "We need to make sure you're not a felon" That's a joke.