Is It Wrong to OC AN AR15?
This is a discussion on Is It Wrong to OC AN AR15? within the Open Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I posted a thread last night about a young man that open carries a rifle in his neighborhood in an effort to protect it or ...
July 30th, 2013 12:13 AM
Is It Wrong to OC AN AR15?
I posted a thread last night about a young man that open carries a rifle in his neighborhood in an effort to protect it or to watch over it. Some felt that the young man had good intentions and just needed a little guidance. Some felt that he was perhaps being a bit irresponsible and shouldn't do things that unease his neighbors. Just because he has a right to do it, it doesn't necessarily mean he should do it.
This isn't intended to be a redundant thread. This thread is a little different because now instead of having a person OCing a rifle to protect his neighborhood, we have a man that OCs in an effort to educate others. He feels that the negative connotation that comes with a man carrying a rifle in public is due to all of the negative experiences that normally happen whenever we see someone today OC a rifle. He wants to condition us to be at ease around an OC'd rifle by setting a positive precedent and if more of us do this, then we will erase the stereotype. He says that if you're against his OCing in public then you're really not Pro 2A.
Is there something to his theory? Is he just crazy or just seeking attention? If more of us OC with a rifle, will we erase tensions in regards to doing as much? Is it reasonable to expect police to stop persons that do OC a rifle when perhaps they lack a good reason from doing so given its not illegal to OC a rifle?
Again, its not intended to be a redundant post. This has more to do with educating others as opposed to the things one should or should not do in a neighborhood watch program. What can we do to educate the public about the real gun laws as opposed to the laws they think or believe to be real when in reality, they're not, etc.?
July 30th, 2013 12:13 AM
July 30th, 2013 12:22 AM
That would depend entirely on where you are at.
Is It Wrong to OC AN AR15?
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July 30th, 2013 12:29 AM
If it's legal where you live, and you wish to engage in a lawful activity, then by all means do so. Just be aware that it probably isn't going to be all rainbow farts and unicorns if you go to see the latest vampire love-fest with your hog leg strapped to your back.
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July 30th, 2013 12:32 AM
So true! I should have prefaced it with a setting where it is legal to OC a rifle, at least that's the spirit I wrote it in.
Originally Posted by HotGuns
Thanks for pointing that out. ;-)
July 30th, 2013 12:45 AM
In short: no, it is not wrong.
Some people may view it as unnecessary or even stupid but it is not wrong.
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July 30th, 2013 01:20 AM
I believe that it is not wrong.
I think the term wrong makes it a personal opinion, or belief. Legal is relatively cut and dry, but wrong is (IMO) in the eye of the beholder. I do not believe it is wrong. Heck kids used to take their rifles to school for target practice at P.E. Only difference is society and people, doesn't seem to change the wrongfulness/rightfulness of it.
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July 30th, 2013 02:14 AM
1. No, but it might be illegal in some places.
Originally Posted by DefConGun
4. Hard to predict.
5. Is it "reasonable" to expect that an officer will conduct a stop without first obtaining reasonable suspicion that a crime has occurred, is occurring or is going to occur; no. Does it happen, yes.
6. For starters we could teach our children the unbiased truth about firearms, the 2nd amendment and the local firearms laws.
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July 30th, 2013 02:31 AM
I don't think it's wrong, but it is misguided and self-defeating. The thing about trying to educate people is, you have to give them credit for some intelligence: even if they're currently ignorant, they're probably not stupid. Seeing an OC'ed handgun is one thing - an intelligent person can see it, and start to think "hmm, you know, it kind of makes sense to have a handgun, I'm worried about my own safety," etc, and mission accomplished.
Now, a similar person seeing an AR-15 is likely to think "wow, that's stupid - what's he going to do with that?" And he would be right, because as excellent as an AR-15 is for home defense and other applications, it's a very poor choice for actual everyday defense. In any urban environment, and most social situations elsewhere, you have to accept that people might get within a few yards of you, and if someone within a few yards turns out to be a BG with a knife, a rifle on your back does you no good at all. A handgun is great for defense in a mugging, a carjacking, getting jumped in an alley, while a rifle is useless in these situations unless it's already in your hands, and then often is less useful than a handgun. Whether the target of the educational message is aware of these things or not, if he DOES start thinking about them, he'll simply begin to understand why his initial reaction was correct, and the message is undermined.
I understand the idea behind it, but I think it's served much better by OC of a handgun.
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July 30th, 2013 03:54 AM
No its not wrong if its legal in the area its being done. If its not legal in the area being done, it should be.
As far as nervous Nellies reactions to it, its a right, where its not trampled underfoot illegally by the powers that be in some areas. This worrying all the time about how folks will react to us doing a patently legal and constitutionally guaranteed thing is a bit tiresome. We will never ever make those that pee their pants at the sight of a gun comfortable and its not our responsibility to make them comfortable. YMMV
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July 30th, 2013 04:09 AM
I don't think it's wrong personally ,but expect some attention from the police.Depending on where you live,even if it is legal,a call over dispatch of a man walking around with a military looking rifle may even get the SWAT team on you.
Face it,we are living in a de facto Police State where the populace has been brainwashed that only the police and the military should be allowed to own such weapons,not your average citizen.Especially in this post 9-11 -post Sandy Hook United States.
July 30th, 2013 04:14 AM
I am subscribed to "MarkedGuardian" on youtube and have seen most of his open carry videos. I'm all for him trying to normalize firearms but most of his videos just annoy me. He says he makes these videos to show viewers how to use their rights. I believe that is partly his intention but I also believe he just wants a confrontation.
As far as your question goes, I dont think it's wrong to oc an ar15.
July 30th, 2013 05:00 AM
There is legal and illegal. There is right and wrong. There is wise and stupid. Sure, we have rights, but there are wise ways and stupid ways of exercising our rights. He chose one of the stupid ways. It might not be illegal, and it might not be wrong, but it surely was stupid.
He took time away from the police officer(s) who could be spending time chasing down real bad guys, rather than responding to a false call. The videomaker is just looking for attention. His rhetoric of "educating the public" is laughable and unpersuasive. Grow up, guy. This is a particular type of OC called "D-bag OC." The police officer came off looking good by comparison.
Also, this guy was playing with his life. A vigilant store keeper seeing a guy walk in with an AR might just pick up his own AR and aim it at the guy's head. One false move and it's a new coat of paint for the wall. It may even be justifiable self-defense: "You Honor, he walked in with an assault rifle. I told him to get his hands up in the air, but he started to say he was going to teach me a lesson about rights and then reached for the gun. I was sure he was going to shoot everyone in the store and make a new Columbine. I mean, who walks around with an assault rifle? I was so glad I had my own AR rifle behind the counter."
July 30th, 2013 05:28 AM
July 30th, 2013 07:32 AM
"6. What can we do to educate the public about the real gun laws as opposed to the laws they think or believe to be real when in reality, they're not, etc.?"
...we've got two kinds of public that need educating...the ones who are just ignorant and uninformed...that's obvious as to how to educate...
...and those who KNOW and are just ACTING ignorantly...because our carrying makes them "nervous" or they "worry" about it...or they don't have what it takes to exercise their rights and carry, so they salve their shamed conscience by persecuting us...
...the first kind, we should be patient with and inform them politely...
...the second kind...and you can spot them two sentences into the dialogue...you're wasting your time...their opinions are more important to them than our rights and/or the law...sadly enough, you find gun-owners and even CHLers amongst this group...
...different from me isn't wrong...if it's legal, I support your right to do it...
July 30th, 2013 09:08 AM
No. I support the right to do it.
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