Open carriers at farmer's market have another encounter with police.

Open carriers at farmer's market have another encounter with police.

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    Open carriers at farmer's market have another encounter with police.

    The same two men who were confronted by police for open carrying rifles at a farmers market in Appleton, WI were stopped again by police for openly carrying a shotgun. These guys are not helping the cause. Just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.

    http://www.postcrescent.com/article/...0101/311040332


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    I agree with you RightyLefty.
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    If you have the right, exercise it.

    Just because you have the right to speak your mind doesn't mean it's right to tell us what you think. (right?)
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    "Right away he said if we move I’m going to shoot you in the head. That was the first sentence out of his mouth. They threatened us with deadly force from the beginning,” Branstrom said."

    If true there's a serious problem with the PD. Some people may have an involuntary movement out of fear; the office blows his head off. For what? Lawfully carrying a weapon?

    I'm am not a confrontational guy and I don't usually OC. But when OC encounters happen, all parties - the police, the carrier, and the public - should learn from it.
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    It may not help regarding the perceptions of the general public, but I do think that this type of thing serves a definite purpose. It's terrific that some people are willing to put themselves into a possible tough situation, but tact and restraint are a must.
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    I have no problem with exercising the right but there are ways of doing it without stirring the pot. These guys could have just as easily openly carried pistols on their hips and this would have been been a non-issue. Now this has happened a second time only brings PR campaign against gun ownership and the carrying of weapons more to the forefront.

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    The legally armed citizens walking through Appleton were threatened with Deadly Force by legally armed citizens employed by Appleton.

    It is very fortunate for the citizens who threatened the good citizens were not shot by the innocent people out walking.
    They certainly would have been within their rights to do so. I know I wouldn't like someone threatening to shoot me or a loved one in the head.
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    If the account is true, I wouldn't take too kindly to being threatened with deadly force for doing absolutely nothing illegal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blitzburgh View Post
    If the account is true, I wouldn't take too kindly to being threatened with deadly force for doing absolutely nothing illegal.
    The last time I was at a Farmers Market no one said a thing about my gun. It might be because they couldn't see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RightyLefty View Post
    The same two men who were confronted by police for open carrying rifles at a farmers market in Appleton, WI were stopped again by police for openly carrying a shotgun. These guys are not helping the cause. Just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.

    http://www.postcrescent.com/article/...0101/311040332
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    Quote Originally Posted by RightyLefty View Post
    I have no problem with exercising the right but there are ways of doing it without stirring the pot. These guys could have just as easily openly carried pistols on their hips and this would have been been a non-issue. Now this has happened a second time only brings PR campaign against gun ownership and the carrying of weapons more to the forefront.
    Enlighten me. Why the distinction between OK to OC a pistol vs OC a shotgun or rifle? All are firearms and all can kill when used by a person. Are you sure open carrying a pistol would have been a "non-issue"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RightyLefty View Post
    I have no problem with exercising the right but there are ways of doing it without stirring the pot. These guys could have just as easily openly carried pistols on their hips and this would have been been a non-issue. Now this has happened a second time only brings PR campaign against gun ownership and the carrying of weapons more to the forefront.
    I hear this argument all the time, but the only people that seem to be put off by the OC'ers are other carriers.

    I'm still waiting for the legislative backlash resulting from the MWAG call on the open carrier.

    On the other hand, many non-carriers have learned that it's legal to OC. They may not like it, but the realize some guy with a gun acting lawfully is not the Boogeyman.

    Oh well. This is only the 999th incarnation of this topic....
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    If this was a case where police threatened someone with shooting them in the head for exercising free speech (even if they were stupid and doing a propaganda stunt) the headline would be be notably different as well as some of the replies here.

    The dang story in this situation should not be about the two guys but about the improper use of the police stopping folks while doing something legal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NONAME762 View Post
    The last time I was at a Farmers Market no one said a thing about my gun. It might be because they couldn't see it.
    ^^^+1^^^ Sound advice, and that's all I'm gonna say about that.

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    +2.

    Whether you like it or not, just because its our RIGHT to OC, doesnt mean we cant be without common sense in how and what and where we do it. You HAVE TO consider the environment that you are going to be in.

    I can legally open carry in schools in MI... should I sling an AR15 on my back to go vote or pick up my son from school? No. It is not the SENSIBLE thing to do.

    Just like with the First Amendment, you must still be aware of WHAT you say and WHERE you say it, even if it is your God given right to do so.
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