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    I got a call this monring from a man I have often made references about. He is fairly new to the gun world. Along the way, he has made errors in judgements. The guy is one I have mentioned for going into a theater with a western holster tied to his leg a few days after the Aurora shooting. He is a guy that inherited a 40+ yr old unfired 1911 38 Super with the original bow and all the papers. He promptly went out and ran fifty shots through it before bringing it to me asking what he would be able to get for it and throwing away the box. He is also a guy I was able to cut six weeks off his wait time to get his concealed permit. Since last AUgust, he has acquired nine handguns and two AR guns. He has only been shooting four times in his life.

    BTW: This guy, when dressed, and even with a CCW permit openly carries. It is his preferred way of carry.

    Now to the interesting part. You can form your own opinions as to the wisdom of his actions.

    Last night about midnight, he and his wife were up talking (not that I believe talking was what they were doing) and heard someone arguing in his back yard. This is in a very nice neighborhood of professional people and the yards are fenced. The man is dressed in his briefs and decides to go see who is in his yard. It is 40 degrees and windy outside but he grabs his cell phone and puts it in his underwear and his Glock in both hands. The argument become louder and as he steps outside, a single gunshot is heard along with some screaming. It is his neighbors back yard and not his. He stands there long enough to see the man next door has been fatally shot in the head and the man's wife is the one screaming. Remember, he is in his underwear, in the cold, with his cell phone in his underwear. He then notices a car being driven away. So he walks back inside his house and turns the lights off so he can look out the window. The area becomes a crime scene and he does not want to speak with anyone so he does not answer the door.

    This morning he called me to tell about the events and how a news crew was out front of his home wanting to talk with him. He declined and called me. I advised him not to speak with the media and stay off camera and that he needed to tell police of what he heard and saw. I arranged for the homicide team to contact him and told him not to leave out even the smallest detail as to what he heard and saw. I also told him that I did not ever want to use or handle his cell phone.
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    How did you manage to cut six weeks off his wait time for him after he has only been shooting four times in his life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldman45 View Post
    I got a call this monring from a man I have often made references about. He is fairly new to the gun world. Along the way, he has made errors in judgements. The guy is one I have mentioned for going into a theater with a western holster tied to his leg a few days after the Aurora shooting. He is a guy that inherited a 40+ yr old unfired 1911 38 Super with the original bow and all the papers. He promptly went out and ran fifty shots through it before bringing it to me asking what he would be able to get for it and throwing away the box. He is also a guy I was able to cut six weeks off his wait time to get his concealed permit. Since last AUgust, he has acquired nine handguns and two AR guns. He has only been shooting four times in his life.

    BTW: This guy, when dressed, and even with a CCW permit openly carries. It is his preferred way of carry.

    Now to the interesting part. You can form your own opinions as to the wisdom of his actions.

    Last night about midnight, he and his wife were up talking (not that I believe talking was what they were doing) and heard someone arguing in his back yard. This is in a very nice neighborhood of professional people and the yards are fenced. The man is dressed in his briefs and decides to go see who is in his yard. It is 40 degrees and windy outside but he grabs his cell phone and puts it in his underwear and his Glock in both hands. The argument become louder and as he steps outside, a single gunshot is heard along with some screaming. It is his neighbors back yard and not his. He stands there long enough to see the man next door has been fatally shot in the head and the man's wife is the one screaming. Remember, he is in his underwear, in the cold, with his cell phone in his underwear. He then notices a car being driven away. So he walks back inside his house and turns the lights off so he can look out the window. The area becomes a crime scene and he does not want to speak with anyone so he does not answer the door.

    This morning he called me to tell about the events and how a news crew was out front of his home wanting to talk with him. He declined and called me. I advised him not to speak with the media and stay off camera and that he needed to tell police of what he heard and saw. I arranged for the homicide team to contact him and told him not to leave out even the smallest detail as to what he heard and saw. I also told him that I did not ever want to use or handle his cell phone.
    BTW: The guy is well educated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    How did you manage to cut six weeks off his wait time for him after he has only been shooting four times in his life?
    I eliminated his having to go to a training class which saved him about $100 and the wait time for the class. I got him a parish permit which is in lieu of a training class. Then I drove him to the State Capitol and along the 250 miles each way drive, I taught him the law and some other things. Once there, I got his prints and photo done electronically by the State Police. Then his paperwork was instantly submitted. Just taking the paperwork in saves a week and getting printed there saves another 2 -3 weeks. Having somewhat of connections there saves another week or so. All totally legal. Those living in the area can do the same and most do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldman45 View Post
    I eliminated his having to go to a training class which saved him about $100 and the wait time for the class. I got him a parish permit which is in lieu of a training class. Then I drove him to the State Capitol and along the 250 miles each way drive, I taught him the law and some other things. Once there, I got his prints and photo done electronically by the State Police. Then his paperwork was instantly submitted. Just taking the paperwork in saves a week and getting printed there saves another 2 -3 weeks. Having somewhat of connections there saves another week or so. All totally legal. Those living in the area can do the same and most do so.
    I'm not really sure what you are driving at with the topic. He has been shooting four times in his life, yet you maintain him to be well-educated. He has virtually no shooting experience, yet you got him out of taking a training class. He then screws up by the numbers, and you toss his ineptitude out here for all of us to see.
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    Is this thread a question or a comment?
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    Somewhere along the way I'm missing the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldman45 View Post
    BTW: The guy is well educated.
    He is not educated enough IMHO he needs to be sat down and explained to proper way . He NEEDS TRAINING real bad . You did a real dis-service to him by not insisting he get training.

    Also i am trying to find the Funny part of this story .
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    He may be educated in some areas but appears to be uneducated in others which, or course is not unusual. I don't think he did himself a favor by skipping the class.

    Good for you on giving him some instruction and telling him to talk to the authorities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldman45 View Post
    .....The man is dressed in his briefs and decides to go see who is in his yard. It is 40 degrees and windy outside but he grabs his cell phone and puts it in his underwear and his Glock in both hands..
    I didn't get past this without getting a visual..... A lot like firemen, I keep "turnout clothes" next to the bed for instances like this. If you're going to insert yourself into any situation, one prerequisite is to be able to function as needed. A man in his underwear, with a cell phone stuck in there, outside at 40 degrees in the middle of the night, has few options.....

    As for his situation, yes, I think that's all he can do. Hopefully, he saw at least enough of the vehicle driving away to tell a make or model, color, etc. If the deceased had a co-worker with the same make and model, and got into an argument with him at work recently, maybe it'll be of use to them. And, yes, his cell phone is now toxic.

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    A) - i can't get past the old 1911 he nossed up. i woulda revoked his man-card right there, told him to go buy a pink EAA witness and leave the real guns alone. Shame on him, maybe even on you, maybe.

    B)- i am also in the camp you shoulda make him get MORE training, not less.

    C) - i am trying to wrap my head around the HOMOCIDE that just happened next door. is it just me or is this guy like a bad-luck magnet? educated? maybe. common sense, seemingly not. i've had a few instances where i was recruited to help a "noob" learn about guns, and after spending time with them it became apparent they should not be arming themselves. i will usually try to find a tactful way to say as much to them, and then spend my time/energy on those who will make good use of it.

    i would tell this guy to never, ever again buy a gun older than 10 yrs old.

    i would tell him to start reading forums like this one, and get some training.

    i would never go shooting with him. if i did, it would only be on the condition we are going to shoot his phone. and only that one time.

    i hope my neighbors make better witnesses if i am ever murdered in front of my wife.

    holy cow... mind=blown

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    How did you manage to cut six weeks off his wait time for him after he has only been shooting four times in his life?

    ... and why would you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by welder516 View Post
    He is not educated enough IMHO he needs to be sat down and explained to proper way . He NEEDS TRAINING real bad . You did a real dis-service to him by not insisting he get training.

    Also i am trying to find the Funny part of this story .
    Have you ever stood in cold weather in you briefs when at the scene of a shooting? Better yet, have you ever went outside to possibly stop someone in your briefs?
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