Food for Debate Article

Food for Debate Article

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    Food for Debate Article

    Similar article along the lines of Roger Phillips' "Do's and Don'ts of Open Carry"

    The Perils of Open Carry | Active Response Training


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    oh boy.....


    BTW: This is not so much "food for debate", but rather, "let us start a useless agrument again that will not change anyone's mind"
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    Retention is important. Absolutely. For anyone, irrespective of visibly carrying or not. So are disarm skills, another element that the majority of carriers don't get involved with learning.

    As for increased risk of being disarmed if a violent felon knows one is armed ... well, sure, it's a potential change in risk. But with a given felon who's on you, there's no way to know whether it'll differ in that case. The stats don't show any detail in this area, as to whether it's a sure increase in risk. But then, wearing a suit in the wrong part of town increases one's risk as well. Who can say that this or that aspect of carrying alters risk any more than another aspect? It's a guess, IMO.

    With MWAG calls, the greatest impacting factor is the degree of knee-jerk insanity that exists in a county with respect to the DA/LE folks who are tasked with dealing with an armed citizenry. In places where sanity and rationality rules, and where a tight ship is maintained on procedures within LE for handling folks who are not threatening others, then MWAG calls get dealt with for what they are, instead of strictly for what some fear they might portend. Depends on the community, and on the officers in question and what dictates/training they've had in the chain of command. Be upstanding, act responsibly, go about your normal and customary business, and accept that there are a few "bare fear" types of people out there who don't quite get the fact that we're armed and not felons. Greater likelihood of having a MWAG call? Sure, since it's hard to call LE for something unknown.


    Overall, good points to consider as a carrier, given the simple fact that we don't exist in a vacuum. Felons will do what they'll do, tossing us curve balls. And knee-jerk citizens will do what they'll do, fearfully disengaging their brains when making a MWAG call for so-called "help" to correct their offended sensibilities. Hard to avoid everything. Doesn't mean one shouldn't visibly carry, though. Not by a long stretch.
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    Fine Officer Ellifritz doesn't like OC. He's voiced his opinion on line, so now he can go back to his classroom and quit pushing his opinion on people who didn't ask for it.
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    The dude that made this clip is welcome to his opinion. I do not. He may think he's pretty hot feces. He's the only one where I'm concerned.
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    I read part of the article and knew it was down-hill . I love open carry - I hate open carry - I love open carry ..............................oh forget it .
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    Never heard of him. His opinion is worth every bit of his reputation, to me - nada!
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    Here we go again... A house divided can't stand. We would be a much more powerful lobby if we stopped fighting amongst ourselves about how and what to carry...
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    I think he made some great points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badey View Post
    Here we go again... A house divided can't stand. We would be a much more powerful lobby if we stopped fighting amongst ourselves about how and what to carry...
    Not really seeing any fighting ......................anyone can see the article is nonsense .
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    WOW...another opinion on the subject of open carry...MMMMmmmmmmmmm....
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