A few questions and a greeting
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February 12th, 2015 09:26 PM
A few questions and a greeting
Hello everyone. I'm not sure if I've ever posted here before but here I go. My name is Ryan and I am 22. I live in Tennessee and have a beautiful wife and a wonderful 3 month old son. I have my CCP, and I've had it for about 7 months now. My only pistol at the moment is a S&W M&P 9mm full size. I love the gun. I'm thinking about getting my hands on a Ruger LC9 with my tax return, you know, since it is another one of my favorites and it would be a hell of a lot easier to conceal than my M&P.
Anyways, to the point! First of all, when it comes to open carrying, is it illegal (considered brandishing) if I remove my holstered weapon in a restaurant and lay it next to me on a booth or possibly on the table? I have never done either and don't intend to unless I know for sure.
Second, I travel through IL sometimes and it's one of those states that does not recognize my permit. It makes me a tad upset because I used to live there. My only question is before I drive across the state line must I remove all ammo and store the gun in its case separate from the ammo? Secondly, do I have to notify anyone I will be transporting a weapon in my vehicle through the state?
Lastly, this is just more of a "your preference question". If you carry a semi-automatic do you carry with one in the chamber or no?
February 12th, 2015 09:43 PM
1. Handling a loaded firearm in a public place is a very unsafe idea. It would be far wiser and safer to find a holster and carry position (either OC or CC) that allows quick and easy access while seated yet keeping the firearm holstered and the trigger covered. I don't know of any statute in TN that would indicate that the simple act of removing a pistol and placing it nearby would be brandishing, but it could depend on the circumstances. Either way, it's just not a good idea unless danger is imminent.
2. IL has changed their rules on out of state folks with HCPs recently. Seems like maybe you can have it loaded but it has to stay in the car and out of sight, and be locked up if you leave the car. Don't take my word for it. Handgunlaw.us is a great place to look.
3. A gun with an empty chamber is significantly slower to bring into action when needed. However, if you decide to ignore my advice on your first question, please don't carry a chambered firearm since your kid will soon be reaching for all visible objects that he shouldn't have.
February 12th, 2015 09:47 PM
^^That pretty well covers it.
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February 12th, 2015 09:48 PM
1. Brandishing or not it's just not smart. Don't do it.
2. Car carry OK, locked in car while stopped to eat/pee/etc...
3. Don't turn your Smith into a $500 paperweight.
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February 12th, 2015 10:00 PM
What Stoveman & Qtip said.....
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February 12th, 2015 10:23 PM
If you like your full-sizr M&P, why not consider a compact version for carry?
I would never unholster a sidearm in public unless I intended to fire the weapon. By removing it from the holster you remove a layer of safety by exposing the trigger to a potential inadvertent pull, and you place your piece on display so some passing bad guy eyeing it might be tempted to grab it. Find a way and place to carry so that it is comfortable in any position you are likely to assume in public.
No need to notify anyone in IL that you are coming and armed. I believe you can have your gun and ammo in your car if the firearm is dismantled, or if it is unloaded and locked in a container and not immediately accessible while you are behind the wheel (eg, in the trunk). Further, I believe, because you have a CCP in another state, you can carry in your vehicle. Just remove your piece, unload it, container it, and stash it out of sight before getting out of your car.
Most folks carry their semiautos with one in the chamber. Israeli carry is not that popular.
February 12th, 2015 11:33 PM
Leave your gun on tour side at all times.... Contact the Illinois state police in regards to transportation of firearms......
An empty chamber turn a handgun into a club everything. Carry with a round in the chamber, your may very well depend on it
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February 12th, 2015 11:49 PM
Btw, if you want the Ruger, get the LC9s. Easier trigger.
I'm fine with the LC9 long trigger, but that puts me in a minority.
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February 12th, 2015 11:53 PM
Isn't open carry is legal in Tennessee ?? …so, carry it in a holster openly…keep you side to a wall just in case.
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February 13th, 2015 12:01 AM
I left my wallet on a plane once. That sucked. Leaving my gun on a restaurant booth would be far, far, far, far, far worse. I would strongly recommend keeping it secured to your person at all times.
No knowledge of Illinois law. As mentioned, visit handgunlaw.us.
Definitely one in the chamber. With a quality firearm and properly holstered, there is no realistic risk (just keep kid's hands away). If one has to draw, it is fairly likely to be in a situation like a guy is swinging a knife or bat at one's head. I would want one hand free to fend off an attack. Two great advantages of handguns are fast presentation and one-handed operation, both of which are compromised with an empty chamber.
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February 13th, 2015 12:01 AM
Open carry is legal if you have a permit. Tennessee's permit covers concealed and open carry.
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February 13th, 2015 08:05 AM
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February 13th, 2015 08:25 AM
You have been given some great advice so far. My recommendation is that if you already have a full size M&P take a look at the M&P Shield. I am of the camp that prefers to have the same model/style of gun for EDC.
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February 13th, 2015 08:26 AM
Placing your gun on the table, in a restaurant, COULD be construed as brandishing, especially if your server happens to be an anti-gun person. I would also be a bad idea if any other customers were to get nervous and make a complaint to the management. If that were to happen, you would surely be asked to leave.
The above is completely aside from the fact that putting a gun on a restaurant table merely makes it available to anyone who walks by your table and wants to pick up a gun and run.
The Illinois answers have, so far, seemed to be spot on, but it is always a good idea to get used to looking on Handgunlaw.us. Excellent site and a lot of work goes into keeping it current.
I also concur that a gun with no round in the chamber is nothing more than a club. It is, however, well suited in that condition for use as a hammer to knock down any portruding nailheads.
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February 13th, 2015 08:46 AM
If it's legal or not would need to be answered by the local authorities. But even if they say it's ok you definately should not do it. As has been stated already, possibly forgetting it would be a major problem.
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