This is a discussion on The Virginia Two-Step: Restaurants-Open Carry or Car? :MERGED now w/ poll within the Open Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Turbo, Thanks for the heads up....
Lock it up in the car and don't carry at all.
Simply expose the weapon in its IWB holster.
Change from an IWB holster to an OWB holster.
I carry OWB anyway so I just take off the cover.
SB476 passed in the senate with an amendment. sent ot the house for passage. Anybody know what the amendment was?
Anti-gun Senator McEachin had an amendment that would have required
that you identify yourself to the restaurant as a CHP holder and then
wear some kind of insignia so that the staff wouldn't serve you
alcohol!!! So Senator McEachin thinks permit holders should wear a
"scarlet letter," as if we are criminals or should be ashamed of
The only person I am ashamed of is Senator McEachin.
Senator Hanger offered a substitute amendment that would require the
permit holder to let a restaurant staff member know that you are
carrying, but that is all. He offered that amendment to make sure he
had enough votes to get the bill passed. And the bill did, with that
VCDL is not thrilled with that amendment, obviously. Imagine telling
an 18 year old waitress, "Hi! I have a gun!" We will be looking at
options to improve the bill in the House and have some new wording
Saslaw lied by saying that anyone who dared to carry openly in a NoVA
restaurant would be kicked out. His implication was that no one was
open carrying in restaurants now and that no one could say that gun
owners were carrying around alcohol currently.
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thank you I am astonished and appalled
The bill is out the house militia committee as of yesterday and will be voted on by the full house shortly. Rep Barlow from Smithfield voted nay. Take note if he is in your district. No word on any hose amendments. The castle docterine bill never made it out of committee.
well I am aware of an instance where in a Resturant in Texas a woman lost her parents because she left her handgun outside in her car, due to a new law saying she had to. The guy who killed them was just executing people until the cops finally showed up, the lady later said that she had done something stupid "I obeyed a bad law"
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btw the stupid amendment that you have to tell a designated person that you have a chl is still in the law. You might as well open carry for all the help this law is. Our legislators do not have a clue....
What if the restaurant fails to designate a person? Should that person's name and picture be posted somewhere?
Not a problem here in FL...CC only...
Given the VA choice, I would always OC rather than keep my weapon in the car...safer all the way around!
My only concern is to be armed safely & legally!
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Looks like now it just has to pass the governor's desk.Originally Posted by edited out readings and other miscellany
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So, for all you VA folks who choose to dine at real restaurants (which happen to serve the demon alkee-hol ), how do you handle the transition to open carry? Have you ever had any problems with your OC method in such places? (I know this is close to one of RamRod's polls, but I am keeping this specific to Virginia.)
Thanks for the input!
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Usually for us it's as simple as taking off a sweater or tucking in a shirt. Often, if I know I'm going to be going somewhere that serves alcohol, I will wear a small matching vest and just remove the vest when I enter the restaurant. If going to said restaurant is a spur of the moment thing, I simply tuck my shirt behind my gun or remove whatever cover garment I'm wearing.
It's really not that difficult.
I've never had one single negative encounter because of this. Mostly, I think, because I practice DISCREET open carry such as walking with my gun side to the wall, Slinging my purse over my right shoulder so that only a direct glance from the front or back will make it known.
There are ways to limit the amount of visibility without concealing the gun and no one can complain that it's not open because it certainly is.
The only encounter I ever had was while we were leaving a restaurant with my family one night. We were just about to walk out the door and I had turned to ask my mother a question and the manager got a full and COMPLETE view of Wilson.
He said, "My God, is that a gun?!?"
To which my mother replied, "Yes, it is! And you should see her shoot. She's better than Annie Oakley.
I tried to shush her but she kept going on and on until the manager smiled. I think it dawned on him that we have already eaten, chatted, dined and were leaving and no one had gotten hurt or held up.
Other than that I've never had anyone even look twice (personally, I don't think anyone really notices it.)
IMHO, this poll needs more options, or maybe just a catchall "It all depends."
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I am neither an attorney-at-law nor I do play one on television or on the internet. No one should assumes my opinion is legal advice.
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