Anti Open Carry Article in Michigan State University Newspaper

[Grislic]

The State News: Protest by gun activists sends wrong message

I am sure the authors would like your feedback.

[DefensiveCarry.com]

[762]

i posted feedback...yes i did. Our colleges are producing more wimps then we can keep up with.

[Cupcake]

That was fun.

[Nick]

Thanks for this thread. I've added a favorite quote to the State News site by John Adams:

"Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny, or in private self-defense." - John Adams -

[HotGuns]

I had to add some to it.
I just couldnt resist.
I get tired of listening to the same ole crap about how the sheeple get scared at the idea of someone that takes responsibilty for their own well being.

If a someone did come into a place and start shooting the place up, and someone with a permit or even an open carry ended the situation right then and there, they wouldnt be able to pry the cowering fools off of their legs with a crow bar.

[grady]

Glad to see you guys chiming in over there. Your comments add much-needed reason to that dialogue.

I'm not going to add comments to that story because I'm exhausted and couldn't be near as eloquent as you all have been.

[tinkerinWstuff]

Sorry to be on the other side of it but I tend to agree with most of the article. Unless I'm out riding my horses or ATV in the woods, concealed is the only way to go. I don't believe you further your cause by rubbing it in the face of those who are fearful of it.

I can't help but think about two children. One gets his desert because he finished his dinner and the other didn't. So the first child rubs it in his face "nah nah nah, I got ice cream." While he may be within his rights, it only breeds resentment and can turn against you fast. Pretty soon no one gets desert unless everyone finishes their dinner.

Now don't jump all over me, I know we aren't talking about children. It's only an example.

[HotGuns]

Its about mindset.

Those that fear guns need to get over it.

Their "right to feel safe" does not trump my right to be protected with a gun.

They need to grow up and lose the touch feely liberal attitudes that most of us here past when we got past puberty and started figuring things out.

I see T-shirts everyday that are offensive to me. You dont see me going on a tirade to ban offensive T-shirts.

[tinkerinWstuff]

Its about mindset.

Their "right to feel safe" does not trump my right to be protected with a gun.

That can be argued all day long with no one being able to change the mind of the other. And your quote here was exactly the point of the article. Why does your right to protect yourself trump their right "feel safe". The article didn't trash CC and basically said keep it covered so you don't scare the sheep.

[HotGuns]

If open carry is a legal activity, then whats the [edited]problem?

I really get tired of trying to pacify weak minded people. Fact...if its legal, I don't give a rats [edited]what they think.

If they want to continue their existence living in fear and ignorance, that is their choice. I choose not too and I will not base my decisions on what they think.

[tinkerinWstuff]

If open carry is a legal activity, then whats the[edited] problem?

I really get tired of trying to pacify weak minded people. Fact...if its legal, I don't give a rats [edited] what they think.

If they want to continue their existence living in fear and ignorance, that is their choice. I choose not too.

I'm mearly suggesting, if wish to win a cause, you have to understand the person on the other side of the arguement. If you want to shut the otherside down simply because "it's legal so shut up." Well, I feel you stand a strong chance of it becoming illegal. The opposition will find a way to mobilize itself to change the laws. Then where will you stand?

The sheep will always be fearful and you will no more change their mind than a real sheep could stop growing wool. They will always be fearful and missunderstanding of the sheepdog and the wolf. If you want to protect your right to carry, you have to understand the "weak minded" people as you call them and learn to work with them.

[HotGuns]

Sounds great,but using logic against people that don't or wont understand it is a waste of time.

That opposition you talk of has gotten their couch potato loving tails kicked rather severely in the last decade when it comes to gun law across the nation.Twenty years ago there were but a handful of states that allowed open carry or concealed carry.

Now we have 3 left that wont recognize it, mostly because they refuse to honor the wishes and wants of the people hat elected them. Someday, that too will change. As the old socialists die out, the new guys coming up are seeing that blood didn't run in the streets and they are understanding that the cops really wont be there to save your bacon when its needed.

Years ago, when I lobbied for CHL here in Arkansas, I was told literally hundreds of times that it would never happen. The people that told me that were absolutely convinced that they would never see it in their life times.Everyone from the Governor to the State Police Commissioner to the State Reps and Senators to the lowest city councilman.

I was assured time after time that it would never happen. I heard every excuse you can imagine. The masses wont allow it. The sheeple are scared. The cops don't like it. The cops don't want it. The Governor wont sign it. We are outgunned by the Antis. The big city attorney don't like it. Citizens cant be trusted. Blood will run in the streets. Guns are dangerous. People will get shot by accident.Shootouts will be common at weddings, barbecues, Communions,graduations and when the favorite football team looses. Fact of the matter is...trying to soothe sheep is a waste of time and effort that I would rather spend doing something useful.

Forgive me if I take the squalling of sheep as just more noise that fades out into space.

[SelfDefense]

Sorry to be on the other side of it but I tend to agree with most of the article. Unless I'm out riding my horses or ATV in the woods, concealed is the only way to go. I don't believe you further your cause by rubbing it in the face of those who are fearful of it.

Fear not, tinkerinWstuff, I also agree with the thrust of the article. People who do that are less in interested in protecting themselves and their families than showing off in a misguided ideal of 'educating the public' irrespective of the fact that the people don't want to be educated. And that is THEIR right.

[JD]

Fear not, tinkerinWstuff, I also agree with the thrust of the article. People who do that are less in interested in protecting themselves and their families than showing off in a misguided ideal of 'educating the public' irrespective of the fact that the people don't want to be educated. And that is THEIR right.

Again, this is just a personal opinion, you can't know the hearts and minds of every individual who open carries, to speak in definites about a class of people is, well I don't have any words that would not appear to be insulting, it's just not valid.

There are pluses and minuses to both modes of carry, both are valid means of carrying a firearm, each having their own benefits.

[SelfDefense]

Again, this is just a personal opinion, you can't know the hearts and minds of every individual who open carries, to speak in definites about a class of people is, well I don't have any words that would not appear to be insulting, it's just not valid.

There are pluses and minuses to both modes of carry, both are valid means of carrying a firearm, each having their own benefits.

Absolutely. I don't intend to paint open carry with a broad brush. I support open carry completely. I would lobby against any law against open carry and would support laws for open carry in any state. Thankfully, Arizona is an open carry state and I occassionally open carry.

The thrust of the article was on the mindset I commented on. There were a few ideas I found very wrong and I would argue strongly against. Clearly, the guy was anti-gun. But sometimes the anti-gun folks actually do have valid arguments.