Open carry in Michigan?
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October 5th, 2008 04:10 PM
There is no law that says you can not open carry in Mi. As Rocky said, It is not an acceptable type of carry and you may ruffle some feathers doing it. In some cases depending on the scenario it could get ugly. You should be prepared to get a lawyer and possibly lose your gun until your lawyer can prove you have done nothing wrong. The law is one thing. Dealing with the police is another. If they have a problem with you doing it you might just end up down town. I am all for open carry and hope we make some headway sooner or later but Detroit, Flint and other bad spots in this state makes it harder for people who see someone carrying a gun not think they are a bad guy.
October 5th, 2008 07:31 PM
Pick your city.
Find the above info, as originally posted at MICHIGAN OPEN CARRY INFO HERE - Michigan
Originally Posted by Michigan Open Carry
October 9th, 2008 04:40 PM
I'm with y'all. open carry is NOT my first choice. i definitely want the surprise advantage if it ever came down to me needing to protect myself.
but as a klutz, i'm well aware that my gun may end up showing itself to the general population from inside my purse or in my waistband. i was just wondering if i'm going to end up being arrested because my gun happened to show when i bent over to buckle my son into his car seat in the parking lot at the mall.
based on the replies here, i am led to believe that imprinting, visible gun leather or even a visible firearm shouldn't be held against me.
and as an aside, my boyfriend is a coach at A Michigan University. as an employee he is not supposed to be carrying according to campus police. he drives a university vehicle all over campus and off. he's in and out of campus buildings all the time...sometimes laws get grey and fuzzy around the edges...
October 9th, 2008 04:49 PM
I would not take that to heart. If you accidentally print and someone sees it and they call the cops to report a person with a gun you can bet the cops will show in force and although you might of made an honest mistake the police can make your life miserable for a few days and it might require you to get a lawyer. We all heard about the soccer mom in PA that just lost her license for open carrying even though she did not break a law. It scared other parent so she was punished. Not for open carry but for scaring or disturbing the peace.
It would just be better not to print. :)
October 9th, 2008 05:54 PM
I've printed, and OC'd all over Michigan, I've been seen by cops and hordes of other people. The police have never hassled me about it, and most people just sort of stare. One or two have asked if I was a cop, and I said "No, just your every day, law abiding gun owner."
Yeah, there are some in law enforcement who are not aware of the law. But they are being educated, one town at a time.
November 10th, 2008 01:27 PM
Detroit...try Ann Arbor
Having lived in Detroit for 3 years while in college, you would be hassled less than if you tried OC in Ann Arbor. In the outskirts, you would most likely draw more attention from the general populous than anyone else. Even then, few would probably mention it, less would call the police. Downtown would be a different story. No doubt the DPD would like to have a chat w/ you.
Try OC in Ann Arbor and you're likely to meet with much more fear & screaming from passers-by and an iminent meeting with some sort of SWAT type team.
The point of carrying for me is to have the upper hand of surprise if/when it's needed. OC immediately removes that and may in fact put a large red target on you, as you would be an obvious threat to a BG. Take you out, make an example of you, and everyone else complies.
November 10th, 2008 02:41 PM
The issue in MI is less what is legal and more how the LE who either notices the OC or someone who sees you CC for a second or OC reacts and how LE wants to react.
MI has OC with a lot of gray.
The best one I've heard was a range friend who has a CCW made the choice to OC one day. Someone has a problem and LE became involved. LE told him, since the holster partially covered weapon, was a CC. He pointed out he had a CCW. Then LE told him he was in violation of his CCW permit.
Here is another gray. Your hunting and you deside to carry your CC Glock as a back up in case you run into something or someone. The Glock carries more rounds then what are legal to hunt with. Next issue, you are walking back from the blind. You took the ammo out of your hunting rifle, but what about the CC (or the OC back up revolver at your hip). I know a cousin who ran into a problem (loaded CC firearm) with the DNR officer one night. The officer claimed he was spotting / poaching after dusk. He was just walking home from a blind a few farms down from where he lived.
There are a lot of Gray areas in MI when it comes to OC and CCW. MI is a lot less gun friendly then it might 1st appear.
There are a lot of people I talk to (and even posts on this site) that state they have never had a problem. Then I know a hand full of people (and heard of a few stories) when problems pop up.
In general, comes down to the situation, and it is not an open carry / firearm they charge, but a disturbing the peace or other issue. I have yet to hear of the charge sticking, mostly just hassle and loss of a firearm for a few months.
So as a resident of MI, as a CCW holder and a rare OC, I'm stating IMO, MI may be OC, but there are a lot of gray areas.
Last edited by Thanis; November 10th, 2008 at 08:55 PM.
November 10th, 2008 09:57 PM
The above list does not cover ALL places Open Carry is prohibited by law in Michigan. If you really want to know the law read the book you received from your county clerk when you applied for your CPL. If you've lost it go to your county clerk and get a new one.
Originally Posted by youngda9
If you didn't spend the time reading it when you got it you should do so soon. There is a huge amount of information in that little book. I have read the entire thing atleast three times.
Michigan Gun Owner
Michigan CPL Holder
Proud Member of The NRA
November 11th, 2008 09:51 AM
Find any instance where a NON-LEO was targeted by bad guys, because they OC'd. This argument is brought up all the time, but so far, there are no known instances of this happening.
Originally Posted by Glock23MI
Originally Posted by Thanis
November 11th, 2008 02:21 PM
I have also never heard of a case where an OC was targeted because they OC. However, if a person OC a valuable firearm (and in some areas that could be your standard Glock), it has the potential.
Originally Posted by Al Lowe
For example, about 20 years ago, someone was hitting houses that had NRA member stickers on their doors / windows and were stealing rifles in the Gladwin area.
BG reacting or not reacting to OC has not been proved either way. However, BG have reported that they often pass on people who appear to be looking around and aware. You would think the OC would be a similar effect.
I don't think you can feel how gray the issues is until you get harassed the first time.
Originally Posted by Al Lowe
Really, really, depends on what county or twp you are in, in MI, IMHO.
November 11th, 2008 02:47 PM
It's not the issues, or the law that is gray. It's the stuff in between the ears that is gray.
Originally Posted by Thanis
The biggest problem with most local law enforcement, is they THINK they know the law, but they typically don't.
Go to this link, print it out and keep it with you. Make sure the URL is there. If you get hassled by any local LE agency, don't argue with the cop on the spot, give in, or whatever you feel you're up to, but take a copy of that form to their cop shop and see that the chief gets it. Mail it to them, better yet, go to the Michigan Open Carry forum on OCDO and post a message there. They have a great support system, and before you know it, that locality will be inundated with all sorts of info. And maybe even an OCDO picnic.
Sure, if you OC, you risk getting hassled by the police. In fact, I'd say the likely hood of getting hassled by local LE, is 1000 times more likely than getting targeted by a BG. But this is the only way we can educate them on our RIGHT to bear arms.
Concealed Carry is not a right. If it was, we wouldn't need a piece of paper saying we can. OC is a right. Use it or lose it.
November 11th, 2008 04:58 PM
Al, thanks for the info. I never noticed anyone OC'ing in my part of MI. A few of the cities on your list I frequent, too.
"In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." Thomas Jefferson
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November 11th, 2008 05:18 PM
Why raise suspicion
Speaking as an LEO, I would stop and question anybody walking around displaying a firearm. The best possible reason for carrying a firearm is self defense, why would you advertise this to the bad guys?
Protect your right to carry CCW. and pratice...
November 11th, 2008 05:36 PM
Without getting into the OC vs. CC debate as any posts resulting in or partaking in such a debate will be removed...
Originally Posted by 588
Many OC because:
A: They can
B: They feel the presance of an openly carried re: visible firearm may actually deter crime
C: Can draw faster with an OWB unconcealed holster
D: Be more comfortable carrying by not needing a cover garment
E: Carry a larger firearm as a smaller, easier to conceal firearm isn't needed as you don't have to hide it.
G: They (in some cases) are required by law to OC
H: Don't have a concealed permit, thus OC is the only legal way to carry.
That about does it.
To recap the topic of the thread is:
Relating to MICHIGAN
my question is WHERE this is allowed. is open carry allowed in all the same places that concealed carry is allowed with a permit?
and the other question i have is that if i'm legally carrying my concealed handgun say inside the waistband at the small of my back and my sweater rides up without my knowledge and someone starts screaming bloody hell about my having a gun...what would be the ramifications? open carry being legal and all.
November 11th, 2008 05:39 PM
Really? It's a right? You don't need a permit to conceal in NC?
Originally Posted by 588
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