I hope your sitting down with some popcorn and duct tape....
I dropped off my car at the dealership in Chesapeake and decided to
take the bus back to Hampton. I get on the first bus. No problems. :)
I get on the second bus and I'm questioned by the bus driver with "do
you have a permit for that?". I replied, "I do have a permit to
conceal, but there's no permit to carry in the open like this". I
guess she did not believe me, because she asked me again. I gave her
the same answer as if she didn't hear me the first time. I then slid
my transfer slip and sat down. She then started to take off, but then
stopped the bus to make a phone call. She then asked me "do you have
a security badge?". I got upset and replied "does it look like I got
a badge on?" (I've realized that might not have been the best answer,
but at that point I was pissed at her).
So then we sit there and wait while she's on the phone. A rider asked
her what's the hold up. She told him that we are waiting for the
police. So 2 mins later, Norfolk's finest show up. I'm thinking,
super, everything will be explained that it's legal and what not.
So the 1st LEO steps on the bus and asks me to stand up, which I do.
He walks over to me with his hand reaching for my firearm, which I
leaned over to comply without a word. He then asks me to step off the
bus. After we get off the bus, he tells me they got a call about a
man with a gun (go figure), and I turn to my right and see MORE LEOs
The 1st LEO asks me, "do you have a permit to conceal?", I tell him,
"yes". Then he goes about telling me that I should just conceal and
how I've caused an "inconvenience" and such. I tell him that it's a
beautiful day and I wanted to open carry. So he tells me again that
it's not a good idea and what not.
So I guess he got tired of me and a Sargent started to talk to me, and
I got frustrated because he was asking me the same damn questions. So
at this point I asked if I was being detained, and they told me that I
was being detained. I asked, "what crime am I being suspected of
committing"? and he replied, "disorderly conduct" ... They elaborated
stating that I was causing a public inconvenience. So I told him to
arrest me if that's the case. The LEO stated he didn't want to. I
said to just write me a summons so I can see him in court. He didn't
want to do that either. *sigh*
So I asked for a LT to be called. About less than a minute later, I
guess one pulled up (I didn't think he was) and he started telling me
that Norfolk has a code that one must show ID when asked by a LEO (or
something similar). I told him to tell me the code so I can make a
phone call and confirm it. He refused to tell it. I told him to
contact the city attorney. He walks away leaving me with the "watch
Quick FYI - there about 5 responding LEOs, 1 whom was the LEO that had
me at gunpoint from the police vid during the 1st downtown Norfolk
incident. So I figured that he would clear things up. NOT!!!
So then they proceed to tell me that if I don't show ID, they will
confiscate my firearm. I tell them "good, I'll just get it back along
with the lawsuit" (I had my XD on, but if they took it, I would have
put on my 1911 I had in my bag :P). They were explaining that I could
be a felon or underage. Then he walks away and goes to the LEO huddle
for 2 seconds, comes back, tells me that he giving me back my firearm
and that I should conceal when the next bus comes and walks away.
I got back to Hampton with NO problems whatsoever, get in my car,
drive BACK to Norfolk to get some FOIA goodies (I forgot to ask for
the police dashcams which I knew were running).