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    US pastor welcomes handgun owners to church event
    By DYLAN T. LOVAN (Associated Press Writer)
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    June 04, 2009 1:31 PM EDT
    LOUISVILLE, Kentucky - A Kentucky pastor is inviting people to bring their guns to church to celebrate America's Independence Day and the constitutional right to bear arms.

    New Bethel Church is welcoming "responsible handgun owners" to wear their firearms inside the church on June 27, the Saturday that precedes the Fourth of July holiday. An ad says there will be a handgun raffle, patriotic music and information on gun safety.

    Church pastor Ken Pagano says guns must be unloaded and private security will check visitors. He says recent church shootings make it necessary to promote safe gun ownership.

    Marian McClure Taylor is executive director of the Kentucky Council of Churches. She says churches work to prevent violent harm and promote peace, but most "allow for arms to be taken up under certain conditions."
    I have relatives in Ky, sounds like a good time for a visit.
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    Might be time for a 70 mile road trip!
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    I don't get it. What's the difference between no gun and an unloaded gun?

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    Hi EdC,
    As our pathetic new leader would say... “It’s a step in the right direction.”
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    I don't think this is a good idea at all. They are advertiing that there will be a lot of unloaded weapons in one place on July 4th at a certain time. Seems like some bad guys that would like to get some weapons would love to have that info.
    I am not against guns in church, but this is not the way to do it.

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    "and private security will check visitors"
    Just another publicity stunt. He is paying for armed guards, but forcing law abiding citizens to unload. This guy is not doing the gun community any favors.

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    Sound like a perfect "gun-free zone" to me...a perfect place to steal a lot of guns.
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    i would not go to church or anywhere else w/an unloaded gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaserRonin View Post
    "and private security will check visitors"
    Just another publicity stunt. He is paying for armed guards, but forcing law abiding citizens to unload. This guy is not doing the gun community any favors.
    I agree. What point do unloaded guns make? When I was a kid, many churches in my area would get together to burn rock and roll records. Again,pointless.

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    Might as well be a hammer since it's unloaded.
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    Here is another article with a little more information...

    http://content.usatoday.net/dist/cus...35255652.story

    Ky. pastor asks members to bring guns to church
    Posted 6/4/2009 5:33 PM ET
    LOUISVILLE (AP) — A Kentucky pastor is inviting his flock to bring guns to church to celebrate the Fourth of July and the Second Amendment.

    New Bethel Church is welcoming "responsible handgun owners" to wear their firearms inside the church June 27, a Saturday. An ad says there will be a handgun raffle, patriotic music and information on gun safety.

    "We're just going to celebrate the upcoming theme of the birth of our nation," said pastor Ken Pagano. "And we're not ashamed to say that there was a strong belief in God and firearms — without that this country wouldn't be here."

    The guns must be unloaded and private security will check visitors at the door, Pagano said.

    He said recent church shootings, including the killing Sunday of a late-term abortion provider in Kansas, which he condemned, highlight the need to promote safe gun ownership. The New Bethel Church event was planned months before Dr. George Tiller was shot to death in a Wichita church.

    Kentucky allows residents to openly carry guns in public with some restrictions. Gun owners carrying concealed weapons must have state-issued permits and can't take them to schools, jails or bars, among other exceptions.

    Pagano's Protestant church, which attracts up to 150 people to Sunday services, is a member of the Assemblies of God. The former Marine and handgun instructor said he expected some backlash, but has heard only a "little bit" of criticism of the gun event.

    John Phillips, an Arkansas pastor who was shot twice while leading a service at his former church in 1986, said a house of worship is no place for firearms.

    "A church is designated as a safe haven, it's a place of worship," said Phillips, who was shot by a church member's relative for an unknown reason and still has a bullet lodged in his spine. "It is unconscionable to me to think that a church would be a place that you would even want to bring a weapon."

    Phillips spoke out against a bill before the Arkansas General Assembly that would have permitted the carrying of guns in that state's churches. The bill failed in February.

    Pagano, 50, said some members of his church were concerned that President Obama's administration could restrict gun ownership, and they supported the plan for the event when Pagano asked their opinion.

    Marian McClure Taylor, executive director of the Kentucky Council of Churches, an umbrella organization for 11 Christian denominations in Kentucky, said Christian churches are promoters of peace, but "most allow for arms to be taken up under certain conditions."

    Taylor said Pagano assured her the event would focus on promoting responsible gun ownership and any proceeds would go to charity.

    "Those two commitments are consistent with the high value the Assemblies of God churches place on human life," she said in an e-mail message.

    Pagano is encouraging church members to bring a canned good and a friend to the event. He said guns must be unloaded for insurance purposes and safety reasons.

    He said the point was not to mix worship with guns, though he may reference some passages from the Bible.

    "Firearms can be evil and they can be useful," he said. "We're just trying to promote responsible gun ownership and gun safety."
    This is an idiotic statement that a pastor (Pagano) should know better than to make. No one I know would say "cars can be evil and they can be useful," or "pizza with extra cheese can be evil or useful."

    Inanimate objects have no such anthropormorphic characteristics. How they can be used by HUMAN BEINGS is useful or harmful. Persons are evil or good, their actions are evil or good. Objects are just that-objects.

    As for Pastor Phillips (the one who was shot in 1986), this looks to me like a fearful reaction based on his experience. It is a shame that he is unable to think beyond that horrible experience to a logical conclusion-that guns can, and often do, save lives. I agree that a "house of worship SHOULD BE a place of sanctuary and SHOULD NOT BE a place for weapons." But, until the BGs are willing to come to that same conclusion and live it out, houses of worship are not safe by default.
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    Gun-loving pastor to his flock: Piece be with you

    This story made my day!

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    LOUISVILLE, Ky. – A Kentucky pastor is inviting his flock to bring guns to church to celebrate the Fourth of July and the Second Amendment.

    New Bethel Church is welcoming "responsible handgun owners" to wear their firearms inside the church June 27, a Saturday. An ad says there will be a handgun raffle, patriotic music and information on gun safety.

    "We're just going to celebrate the upcoming theme of the birth of our nation," said pastor Ken Pagano. "And we're not ashamed to say that there was a strong belief in God and firearms — without that this country wouldn't be here."

    The guns must be unloaded and private security will check visitors at the door, Pagano said.

    He said recent church shootings, including the killing Sunday of a late-term abortion provider in Kansas, which he condemned, highlight the need to promote safe gun ownership. The New Bethel Church event was planned months before Dr. George Tiller was shot to death in a Wichita church.

    Kentucky allows residents to openly carry guns in public with some restrictions. Gun owners carrying concealed weapons must have state-issued permits and can't take them to schools, jails or bars, among other exceptions.

    Pagano's Protestant church, which attracts up to 150 people to Sunday services, is a member of the Assemblies of God. The former Marine and handgun instructor said he expected some backlash, but has heard only a "little bit" of criticism of the gun event.

    John Phillips, an Arkansas pastor who was shot twice while leading a service at his former church in 1986, said a house of worship is no place for firearms.

    "A church is designated as a safe haven, it's a place of worship," said Phillips, who was shot by a church member's relative for an unknown reason and still has a bullet lodged in his spine. "It is unconscionable to me to think that a church would be a place that you would even want to bring a weapon."

    Phillips spoke out against a bill before the Arkansas General Assembly that would have permitted the carrying of guns in that state's churches. The bill failed in February.

    Pagano, 50, said some members of his church were concerned that President Obama's administration could restrict gun ownership, and they supported the plan for the event when Pagano asked their opinion.

    Marian McClure Taylor, executive director of the Kentucky Council of Churches, an umbrella organization for 11 Christian denominations in Kentucky, said Christian churches are promoters of peace, but "most allow for arms to be taken up under certain conditions."

    Taylor said Pagano assured her the event would focus on promoting responsible gun ownership and any proceeds would go to charity.

    "Those two commitments are consistent with the high value the Assemblies of God churches place on human life," she said in an e-mail message.

    Pagano is encouraging church members to bring a canned good and a friend to the event. He said guns must be unloaded for insurance purposes and safety reasons.

    He said the point was not to mix worship with guns, though he may reference some passages from the Bible.

    "Firearms can be evil and they can be useful," he said. "We're just trying to promote responsible gun ownership and gun safety."
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    How cool is that? :D

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    This is extremely cool. And from a man who obviously fears God.

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    They had a segment from ABC on the news up here, the reporter confused the First Amendement with the 2nd.......sigh. There is dumb and then there is media dumb..

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