OC at Obama Rally

OC at Obama Rally

This is a discussion on OC at Obama Rally within the Open Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I usually don't follow OC too much but found this scanning through my hometown newspaper. Jury to reconvene Friday in case of man with gun ...

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    OC at Obama Rally

    I usually don't follow OC too much but found this scanning through my hometown newspaper.

    Jury to reconvene Friday in case of man with gun at Obama rally


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    Yup... this has been going on for a while now. The PAFOA thread is here:

    MTN Jack ARRESTED for OC near Obama rally site!

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    I don't know PA law, are you allowed to carry firearms at a rally/public gathering/demonstration? Some states do not allow firearms carried any which way at stuff like that.
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    The article...

    Jury to reconvene Friday in case of man with gun at Obama rallyThursday, July 16, 2009
    By Kaitlynn Riely, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

    A Beaver County jury adjourned for the evening without reaching a verdict today in the trial of a man charged with disrupting a public meeting for taking a gun to an Obama rally in Beaver last year.

    John Noble of Industry openly carried his Glock pistol to the Aug. 29 outdoor rally in a park across from the Beaver County Courthouse.

    The jury got the case following closing arguments this morning.

    Frank Martocci, the prosecutor, said openly carrying a gun to the political rally was "the equivalent of yelling fire in a crowded movie theater." He said free speech must be weighed against others' rights to peaceably assemble.

    The attorney for Mr. Noble, Stephen Colafella, said it's not Pennsylvania's place to legislate or dictate under what circumstances a person can exercise a lawful right. Rather, he said, a political rally was the right place for Mr. Noble to openly carry a gun as a political demonstration.

    "He wasn't there to disturb anyone or break up the rally. He was there to promote an issue that is important to him."

    At the rally, Mr. Noble was carrying a Bible and handing out pro-gun fliers.

    Members of the jury briefly interrupted their deliberations around 1:45 p.m. to ask Judge Harry Knafelc to explain "intent" and "disturbance."

    The jury went home for the day at 4:15 p.m. after deliberating for nearly five hours.

    "This is the first time that I've received a request from a jury because they are frazzled," Judge Knafelc said.
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    I'm surprised that the SS allowed him to be in the vicinity...permit or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunny View Post
    I don't know PA law, are you allowed to carry firearms at a rally/public gathering/demonstration? Some states do not allow firearms carried any which way at stuff like that.
    Yup. The only places carry is banned in PA are courthouses, federal property, prisons and schools... even the school law is a little vague... I really don't want to be the test case tho...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunny View Post
    I don't know PA law, are you allowed to carry firearms at a rally/public gathering/demonstration? Some states do not allow firearms carried any which way at stuff like that.
    Yes. He was not charged with a weapons violation, but for disorderly conduct. However, under PA law a person is only guilty of disorderly conduct if he:
    1. Engages in fighting or threatening, or in violent or tumultuous
    behavior;
    2. Makes unreasonable noise;
    3. Uses obscene language, or makes an obscene gesture; or
    4. Creates a hazardous or physically offensive condition by any
    act which serves no legitimate purpose of the actor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    I'm surprised that the SS allowed him to be in the vicinity...permit or not.
    He did not try to enter the area under SS control. Check out this thread for an interesting SS close encounter by an armed citizen: Citizens Bank Park(Phillies-Pirates JULY 11 game) Observations and a SURPRISE!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rmarkob View Post
    Yes. He was not charged with a weapons violation, but for disorderly conduct. However, under PA law a person is only guilty of disorderly conduct if he:
    1. Engages in fighting or threatening, or in violent or tumultuous
    behavior;
    2. Makes unreasonable noise;
    3. Uses obscene language, or makes an obscene gesture; or
    4. Creates a hazardous or physically offensive condition by any
    act which serves no legitimate purpose of the actor.
    Okay, well I'm no legal scholar here, but based on the above, shouldn't this have been thrown out and never seen the light of day in a courthouse to begin with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunny View Post
    Okay, well I'm no legal scholar here, but based on the above, shouldn't this have been thrown out and never seen the light of day in a courthouse to begin with?
    Yes. Unfortunately, the judge supposedly didn't entertain that motion when the Defense made it.
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    Not Guilty.

    Man Who Took Gun To Campaign Rally Not Guilty Of Disorderly Conduct - kdka.com

    Hours after asking a judge to send them home because they were "frazzled," a Beaver County jury found John Noble not guilty of disrupting a public gathering when he brought a gun to a campaign rally for President Barack Obama.

    The judge also found Noble not guilty of disorderly conduct.

    Noble was accused of causing a disturbance by bringing a gun to the rally in Beaver County last year.

    Though he had proper permits to carry the firearm, a trooper arrested him for disrupting a public gathering.

    During the trial, Noble testified that he wanted to educate people about the right to carry firearms after Obama characterized Pennsylvanians as clinging to guns and religion.

    After less than five hours of deliberations yesterday, the judge sent jurors home last night without a verdict.

    The judge said it was the first time that a jury asked to go home because they were "frazzled."

    Deliberations resumed this morning; and about two hours later, the jury reached their decision.

    Had he been convicted of the third-degree misdemeanor, Noble could have faced as much as one year in jail and fines of up to $2,500.
    Just to clarify, he was OC'ing, which requires no permit in PA outside of Philly.

    IANAL, but apparently the jury decided on the Disrupting a Public Gathering charge and the judge had the authority to rule on the Disorderly Conduct charge. Supposedly, the judge stated "You're all stupid idiots for OCing" when he issued the ruling, referring not only to the defendant but to all the PAFOA supporters who attended the trial over the past three days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rmarkob View Post
    He did not try to enter the area under SS control. Check out this thread for an interesting SS close encounter by an armed citizen: Citizens Bank Park(Phillies-Pirates JULY 11 game) Observations and a SURPRISE!
    That was a good read (1st page anyway). I especially liked this quote:
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    Man Who Took Gun To Campaign Rally Not Guilty Of Disorderly Conduct - kdka.com

    Not guilty. This should have been a moot issue to begin with.

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    not guilty, good. was the guy that turned him in ccing at this rally?
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    Here in N.C. it is illegal to carry at a demonstration,rally or parade. I wonder if the guy resisted the police or if it was an overreaction by the LEOs because of the proximity of a "politician". Just so there is no gray area, I have no use for Hussein Obama. I can`t begin to express the profound embarrassment that I felt when he carried this state in the election.
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    Should have been dismissed from the get-go.

    BTW -- Unlike some States, here in VA (like PA) it is legal to carry in most public building/parks/etc, at demonstration, at rally, etc.

    That's why so many anti-gun politicos hold their rallies in K-12 schools or privite colleges where carry is prohibited.
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