Open Carry at TD Bank - Police Called

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    Quote Originally Posted by V65magnafan View Post
    Yes it is. And it's been noted in this thread. We don't know if Ms Manager is a transplanted Canadian. As an American living in Canada, I can tell you that the whole country is like New Jersey up here.

    Here's a story. When I crossed the border into Canada, I had to declare my Glock and show my licence, the gun registration, the paper that gives me permission to transport my gun, unloaded, trigger locked and case locked--in the trunk--with ammo separate--from the border to my residence. (I'm not kidding.)

    The CBSA guy looked at me and said, "You're not going to shoot me, are you?" This was a joke.

    When he saw my holster on the seat next to me, he stared. I said, I carry concealed in the U.S. I'm a U.S. citizen. "Oh, he said, I was wondering why a Canadian would want to carry a gun." This was not a joke.

    At the secondary, the CBSA folk gathered around and it became a class. "Wow", one of them said. "I've never seen a hollow point."

    This is the mentality most Canadians have.
    Coming back from the World IPSC Shoot, Venezuela 1988, flew into Fort Lauderdale, my Son and I, we lived in Canada then. Tagged on to a charter flight going to Toronto that had two seats open.

    My case in the Ex-Ray showed a block of steel "Thats my pistol" I said, never seen a pistol that was just showing as a block, out comes the case, Glock17 un boxed, by me! The custom's? Guy said, "What is that made of?" so dissemble took place, and several federal, and local Police were called to look at this strange gun, none of which where in the US at this time.

    After this lesson was over, gun back in case, hand shakes all round, on to plane.
    The Canadians who had not made a sound while this was going on, never spoke to us.

    My Son who had stood quietly by, said to me "They never asked why you had the Glock, where you had been, or where you were going Dad?"

    My Answer "This is America Son" and that's why we live here now!

    To take your own pistol back into Canada then, all you needed was a little green card, that stated you had taken it out with you, same card you would get for a Camera!

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    My Son who had stood quietly by, said to me "They never asked why you had the Glock, where you had been, or where you were going Dad?"

    My Answer "This is America Son" and that's why we live here now!


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    I would personally have my company withdraw all deposits from this bank, and cease being a customer. The bank manager flat out LIED to you. Twice.

    Once, when she claimed you were in violation of federal law, and second, when she claimed to have called the police and you found out she did not.

    In both cases, she was simply trying to intimidate you into compliance with her personal/political beliefs by the use of falsehoods and threats.

    Personally, I don't do business with liars. But that's just me.
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    To take your own pistol back into Canada then, all you needed was a little green card, that stated you had taken it out with you, same card you would get for a Camera!
    Before the mid-seventies in Toronto, one could carry ammo in the pocket, an uncased rifle in hand, and take a city bus trip.

    At that time, on the Prairies, the RCMP in one small Saskatchewan town practiced in a basement range in the town drug store. RCMP and townies would go to the town dump and shoot rats in the headlamps of RCMP cruisers.

    If I wanted a handgun, it was easy to buy one, register it and own it.

    But then, in the eighties, a Canadian woman with a chip on her shoulder and connections to Roberta Peters--the Soros gun banner in Australia, got her public relations act together. By following the same techniques Obama follows--in Saul Alinsky's "Handbook for Radicals" and Edward Bernays' public relations techniques, she managed to demonize both legal guns and gun owners. Now, Canada is as bad as New Jersey--well, not that bad.

    In the U.S., the Brady Bunch tries the same thing, but the NRA has the funds and manpower to hold them off.

    Sorry. Back to the thread.

    Some day, sirfarmer, I hope you have a moment to chat with Miss Manager to see what motivated her. Is she Canadian? What's her problem? Was she dropped into N.H. from New Jersey? I'd love to know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMac View Post
    I would personally have my company withdraw all deposits from this bank, and cease being a customer. The bank manager flat out LIED to you. Twice.

    Once, when she claimed you were in violation of federal law, and second, when she claimed to have called the police and you found out she did not.

    In both cases, she was simply trying to intimidate you into compliance with her personal/political beliefs by the use of falsehoods and threats.

    Personally, I don't do business with liars. But that's just me.
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    All I have to say is... a bank I had been with for 46 yrs, lost my business.
    I didn't think I needed "attitude" while they are holding my money....

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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    Do they make the Brinks guards disarm, too?
    No sir. As a former Brinks employee I can say that the ONLY two places where I was required to disarm was in the Federal courthouse and the Federal Reserve Bank, both of which have their own in house police/security force. I do believe in the form of the Federal Reserve Police force and in the case of the Federal courthouse, U.S. Marshals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMac View Post
    Once, when she claimed you were in violation of federal law, and second, when she claimed to have called the police and you found out she did not.
    No doubt she lied about the second.

    However, I've run into quite a few people over the years who honestly believe that it's a federal offense to carry in any bank.

    I'm not trying to defend her actions in any way, but she was probably just grossly ignorant on that particular claim.
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    In NC the law states that a permit is
    not valid in any financial institutions
    although not federal law could be the
    same law in some other states as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defensive Arms View Post
    No doubt she lied about the second.
    Lying about calling the police is par for the course in retail institutions of any sort. It is often used simply to intimidate someone to leave. I don't know how many times I've been in a situation where one employee says "we're calling the police" while another employee picks up the phone and dials - but they actually don't call, or they call a friend or something.

    It works. It gets the person to leave, and you don't actually have to involve the police.

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    As a first timer here, the issue of right to OC vs: right to prevent OC for specific locations. Although not a personal issue, I visited the opencarry dot org site and saw that Nevada has a "gold" rating and defines that as:

    "Fully preempted open carry permitted on foot and in vehicles without a license; localities fully preempted." Does that mean no location in the state can block you from OC?

    I'm just beginning my education but this struck me as a bit odd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldLincoln View Post
    As a first timer here, the issue of right to OC vs: right to prevent OC for specific locations. Although not a personal issue, I visited the opencarry dot org site and saw that Nevada has a "gold" rating and defines that as:

    "Fully preempted open carry permitted on foot and in vehicles without a license; localities fully preempted." Does that mean no location in the state can block you from OC?

    I'm just beginning my education but this struck me as a bit odd.

    You should go to Handgunlaw.us but here is what I found in just 30 seconds of looking at it.

    State Preemption
    13-3108. Firearms regulated by state; state preemption; violation; classification
    A. Except as provided in subsection C of this section, a political subdivision of this state shall not enact any
    ordinance, rule or tax relating to the transportation, possession, carrying, sale, transfer or use of firearms or
    ammunition or any firearm or ammunition components in this state.
    B. A political subdivision of this state shall not require the licensing or registration of firearms or
    ammunition or any firearm or ammunition components or prohibit the ownership, purchase, sale or transfer
    of firearms or ammunition or any firearm or ammunition components.
    C. This section does not prohibit a political subdivision of this state from enacting and enforcing any
    ordinance or rule pursuant to state law, to implement or enforce state law or relating to any of the following
    1. Imposing any privilege or use tax on the retail sale, lease or rental of, or the gross proceeds or gross
    income from the sale, lease or rental of, firearms or ammunition or any firearm or ammunition components
    a rate that applies generally to other items of tangible personal property.
    2. Prohibiting a minor who is unaccompanied by a parent, grandparent or guardian or a certified hunter
    safety instructor or certified firearms safety instructor acting with the consent of the minor's parent,
    grandparent or guardian from knowingly possessing or carrying on the minor's person, within the minor's
    immediate control or in or on a means of transportation a firearm in any place that is open to the public or o
    any street or highway or on any private property except private property that is owned or leased by the mino
    or the minor's parent, grandparent or guardian. Any ordinance or rule that is adopted pursuant to this
    paragraph shall not apply to a minor who is fourteen, fifteen, sixteen or seventeen years of age and who is
    engaged in any of the following:
    (a) Lawful hunting or shooting events or marksmanship practice at established ranges or other areas where
    the discharge of a firearm is not prohibited.
    (b) Lawful transportation of an unloaded firearm for the purpose of lawful hunting.
    (c) Lawful transportation of an unloaded firearm between the hours of 5:00 a.m. and 10:00 p.m. for the
    purpose of shooting events or marksmanship practice at established ranges or other areas where the discharge
    of a firearm is not prohibited.
    (d) Any activity that is related to the production of crops, livestock, poultry, livestock products, poultry
    products or ratites or storage of agricultural commodities.
    3. The use of land and structures, including a business relating to firearms or ammunition or their
    components or a shooting range in the same manner as other commercial businesses. Notwithstanding any
    other law, this paragraph does not authorize a political subdivision to regulate the sale or transfer of firearms
    on property it owns, leases, operates or controls in a manner that is different than or inconsistent with state
    law. For the purposes of this paragraph, a use permit or other contract that provides for the use of property
    owned, leased, operated or controlled by a political subdivision shall not be considered a sale, conveyance or
    disposition of property.
    4. Regulating employees or independent contractors of the political subdivision who are acting within the
    course and scope of their employment or contract.
    5. Limiting firearms possession in parks or preserves of one square mile or less in area to persons who
    possess a concealed weapons permit issued pursuant to section 13-3112. The political subdivision shall post
    reasonable notice at each park or preserve. The notice shall state the following: "Carrying a firearm in this
    park is limited to persons who possess a permit issued pursuant to section 13-3112." In parks or preserves
    that are more than one square mile in area, a political subdivision may designate developed or improved
    areas in which the political subdivision may limit firearms possession to persons who possess a concealed
    weapons permit issued pursuant to section 13-3112. The political subdivision shall post reasonable notice at
    each designated developed or improved area. The notice shall state the following: "Carrying a firearm in this
    developed or improved area is limited to persons with a permit issued pursuant to section 13-3112." For the
    purposes of this paragraph, "developed or improved area" means an area of property developed for public
    recreation or family activity, including picnic areas, concessions, playgrounds, amphitheaters, racquet courts,
    swimming areas, golf courses, zoos, horseback riding facilities and boat landing and docking facilities.
    Developed or improved area does not include campgrounds, trails, paths or roadways except trails, paths and
    roadways directly associated with and adjacent to designated developed or improved areas. Any notice that is
    required by this paragraph shall be conspicuously posted at all public entrances and at intervals of one-fourth
    mile or less where the park, preserve or developed or improved area has an open perimeter. Any limitation
    imposed by a political subdivision pursuant to this paragraph shall not apply to a person:
    (a) Engaged in a permitted firearms or hunter safety course conducted in a park by a certified hunter safety
    instructor or certified firearms safety instructor.
    (b) At a properly supervised range, as defined in section 13-3107, at a permitted shooting event, at a
    permitted firearms show or in a permitted hunting area.
    (c) Legally transporting, carrying, storing or possessing a firearm in a vehicle.
    (d) Going directly to or from an area where the person is lawfully engaged in hunting, marksmanship
    practice or recreational shooting.
    (e) Traversing a trailhead area in order to gain access to areas where the possession of firearms is not limited. (f) Using trails, paths or roadways to go directly to or from an area where the possession of firearms is not
    limited and where no reasonable alternate means of access is available.
    Also
    Places Off-Limits Even With A Permit/License

    Prohibitions on carrying firearms in these venues apply to both open and concealed carry.
    Any establishment licensed to serve alcohol for on-premises consumption (e.g., a bar or restaurant,
    but not a liquor store or supermarket that sells alcoholic beverages in sealed containers).
    Any establishment or event open to the public where the operator makes a reasonable request for you
    to give them custody or remove the weapon from the premises. A sign would qualify for such
    request. By law, cities and counties are required to offer on-site storage if they ban weapons but not
    all are in compliance.
    The grounds of any public school, other than the parking lot. In order to be legal in the parking lot the
    weapon must be unloaded, and, if left in an unattended vehicle, such vehicle must be locked and the
    weapon out of sight.
    Commercial nuclear or hydroelectric generating stations.
    Polling places on Election Day.
    Correctional facilities (this includes the parking lot of such facilities).
    Game refuges (except during an authorized hunt).
    You can take a firearm onto school property if you follow the procedure below.
    You are an adult in a vehicle and the firearm is unloaded before entering school grounds. Furthermore, if you
    must exit your vehicle, the firearm must remain unloaded and be secured (locked) within the vehicle, out of
    plain view (ARS 13-3102.I.1) Use caution and common sense if you must exit the vehicle with a firearm to
    secure it in the trunk (avoid causing a potentially serious disturbance)
    "If an operator of a public establishment or a sponsor of a public event requests that a person carrying a
    deadly weapon remove the weapon, the operator or sponsor shall provide temporary and secure storage. The
    storage shall be readily accessible on entry into the establishment or event and allow for the immediate
    retrieval of the weapon on exit from the establishment or event." Some agencies and jurisdictions are
    choosing to not comply with the new laws - there are no penalties for non-compliance.
    Parking Lots: SB 1168 signed by the Governor will prohibit property and business owners from banning
    guns from parking areas, so long as the weapons are kept locked in privately owned vehicles. The law
    exempts parking lots that are fenced or guarded, as well as those that provide secure gun storage.
    Display of Firearm: SB 1243 signed by the Governor allows any individual who feels threatened to indicate
    that they're carrying a weapon without violating intimidation statutes. The law only applies for instances of self-defense.
    Note: Carry in State/County/City parks is legal if it is not posted with a No Firearms sign. If it is posted
    you cannot carry there legally even with a permit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by V65magnafan View Post

    Some day, sirfarmer, I hope you have a moment to chat with Miss Manager to see what motivated her. Is she Canadian? What's her problem? Was she dropped into N.H. from New Jersey? I'd love to know.
    As I suspected, a Massachusetts transplant.

    Sigh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sirfarmer View Post
    As I suspected, a Massachusetts transplant.

    Sigh.

    Ewww.
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    I sent the following email. Hope it helps.


    Dear Cecile,
    I recently heard about the incident in your bank where a local citizen was openly carrying a handgun while making a deposit and that you had asked him to leave.

    I just wanted to weigh in and let you know that he was one of the good guys. We all have the natural right to self-defense and a handgun, despite claims to the contrary, is the best way for someone to do so safely. Most states require very strict background checks and training. I hope that you can reconsider your bank's no gun policy. Please take a look at the 2nd and 14th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution and you will find that he was merely refusing to be a victim, in the true colors of the American spirit of independence and responsibility.

    We are all frustrated with the boldness of many of the criminals in our neighborhoods. They have become so because most people have been convinced over the last 50 years to give up their right to bear arms at the insistence of some well meaning, but misguided people. Historically, this is a very important right -- it is the one that protects all others.

    In 1775, it was a group of militia that defeated 700 British soldiers as they attempted to disarm Massachusetts and the rest of the colonies in order to impose the will of the King. This was a rag tag group of everyday husbands and fathers that had taken the time and effort to be prepared for the unknown. As it turned out, the British were defeated and a nation was born. Now, instead of the British, we have organized crime, violent gangs and rogue criminals with no conscience. Benjamin Franklin once said "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." I hope that you see your armed customers as the well armed lamb.

    My sense is that one day you may be embarrassed at this event. Please don't be. Many have been bamboozled on this issue. I ask that you keep an open mind and keep your eyes open for stories in the media of honest, hard working men and women who have successfully defended themselves against their assailants. In the last 15 years, every massacre that has occurred happened in a "gun free zone." This is because those that would commit such horrible acts know that they have no opposition in such areas. It is only a matter of time before criminals figure out that there are no guns in your bank and, therefore, they will view it as an attractive target. My recommendation, is that you join the 2nd Amendment Foundation and place the sticker on your door. Criminals don't want to take the chance that someone inside may be armed. Your bank will be safer for doing so.

    Sincerely,

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