TFA meeting: lets beat up on the OC guy
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August 24th, 2009 01:36 PM
I think a good thing would be to name this person, especially if he has his own website so we can all give this misguided fool a piece of our collective minds....
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August 24th, 2009 02:04 PM
Problem is, sick as it sounds, in some areas he's probably right. A SWAT team member arriving at an event site is pumped full of adrenalin and looking for any threat he/she can nullify. You can get caught in the maelstrom. Some cops also love bending the law to suit themselves. Last and probably worst. Many prosecutors, faced with a high profile shooting, will pander to the general public to get reelected. Helps if you live in a pro gun area.
August 24th, 2009 02:11 PM
If he's a REAL adrenaline junky, he should put himself in the position of either paying his mortgage OR the settlement agreement with me that he signed that's NOT dischargeable in bankruptcy. Not THAT'S real excitement!
Originally Posted by llongshot
August 24th, 2009 02:31 PM
I've been saying this about constitutional law professor B.H.Obama since three years ago, but alas nobody will listen to me on that item...either.
Originally Posted by NoNameMan
I really feel for the OP.
Kudos to him for standing up amongst what had to be uncomfortable conditions and having the _backbone_ to speak up and out.
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August 24th, 2009 03:25 PM
Good for you! I've been saying this a lot lately. What do we gain as gun owners by hiding the fact through not getting involved or CC instead of OC. Don't get me wrong I now do both. But given the chance I'll OC to make the statement that normal people carry guns. He's the type of clown that says, "Don't get me wrong, I believe in the 2A...." And then tells you to hide it and never say anything. Good grief. If I choose to go back I would talk to someone about getting a speaker who was clearly incompetent to talk to the group about gun laws.
August 24th, 2009 04:15 PM
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August 24th, 2009 04:21 PM
Your group can now delete him from the speakers list. Good job standing up for yourself.
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August 24th, 2009 06:28 PM
You did more to educate the group than the lawyer did.
It's easy for me to say this from the comfort of my chair, but I hope you go back and continue educating the others. I can understand if you don't want to go back, though.
Only you know whether it's worth it to you to help the group, or leave them to their own demise. Some people are beyond help, and then it only becomes a waste of time to try and help them.
August 25th, 2009 12:32 AM
I appreciate the kind words of support guys! I may go back to another meeting. It's a month away and will probably have cooled down by then.
It is just so disheartening to go to what is supposed to be a gun friendly group and then be told by the speaker, who is supposed to also be gun friendly, and some other members that how I choose to carry is the wrong way and I am foolish for doing so.
By the way, the speakers name is Professor Mike Roberts.
And this just in! (always wanted to say that) I emailed Massad Ayoob Friday night about this experience and explained what happened and what was said in the speech by the good "Professor" and I just got an email back from Massad himself. Below is the text of the email. It's short but I think it validates my concerns.
That's good enough for me.
Wow, Mike...that guy doesn't seem to have any experience at all in this sort of case.
I don't recall any one articleof mine that touched all those bases, but I can tell you that you seem to recall my positions on these issues correctly.
August 25th, 2009 01:38 AM
Are there any "leaders" of this TFA organization? Seems to me they need to have their ears "bent" a little about the sanity of having anti-gunners being brought in as experts to discuss topics about which they have little little knowledge. This individual's biased opinions were in direct contravention of Tennessee law.
Originally Posted by TN_Mike
The good thing is, the schmuck doesn't run TFA. The ostensible "leaders" do. So, you've got a shot at helping them to pull the finger out. Seems to me you could line up a couple well-informed guests to come visit the next meeting, people who could help set the membership straight on how foolish the lawyer's (and his desciples') opinions were at a time when so much progress has been made against anti-gunners.
Chin up, Mike. You aren't the bad guy, here. I'll warrant, neither are these TFA "leaders," despite being taken in by the wolf in sheep's clothing. Time to find your own "sheep." You know ... a sheriff or two, a ranking police officer or two, a pro-gun attorney or two, folks who will recognize that this nascent TFA organization is going to head down the flusher of anti-ism if it's not turned around.
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August 25th, 2009 04:49 PM
Here's a Virginia firearms speakers group that you might convince to cross a state line to give you their expertise:
The Virginia Center for Public Safety
The Virginia Center for Public Safety would like to announce the addition of a Speakers Bureau to our advocacy work in gun violence prevention and reduction.
We are encouraged with the attention that gun violence prevention initiatives are gathering in this election year and would like to offer to you and any groups with which you work or volunteer, the opportunity for education on the many, many issues we research in our effort to keep Virginians safe from gun violence. These speakers are all volunteers and will gladly work with your group to find suitable & appropriate venues, times and programs to suit your requests. We will gladly come to any area of the state.
Here are just a few of the topics our volunteers can present:
Making Common Sense of the Second Amendment
Empowering Youth to Speak Out on Gun Violence
Gun Violence vs. Gospel Values
Massacre at Virginia Tech – A Wake-Up Call, One Mother’s Story
Gun Rights & Responsibility
Guns & Domestic Violence
A History of Gun Laws in Virginia
Microstamping & Gun Trafficking
A History of the Virginia Center for Public Safety
Additionally, board member Josh Horwitz is available to discuss his new book:
Guns, Democracy & the Insurrectionist Idea.
For your convenience, we've posted an easy-to-use request form on our Website.
Click HERE to go to the request form.
Many more details can be found on our Website: The Virginia Center for Public Safety. We are hopeful that all people concerned with the issue of gun violence will help us educate their fellow Virginians on ideas and proven methods to prevent these tragedies by scheduling one of our many speakers for your group or organization.
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As always, the Virginia Center for Public Safety is grateful for your support and together we will do all we can to prevent and reduce gun violence in Virginia.
Kaye Tice, President
The Virginia Center for Public Safety
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August 25th, 2009 07:01 PM
I would have expected better from this man, and those in charge who may have agreed with him. His attitude is what happened with the class 3 firearms. People willing to give up what they don't personally use.
The anti's know this and use it to their advantage. Doing things one bite at a time and they win in the long run. You can't keep anything by giving someone else's right away. It like eating an elephant. Go slowly one bite at a time an you will consume it all in time.
August 25th, 2009 10:00 PM
I don't want to say this, but he might have had a few valid points. I learn from idiots, not try to educate them.
August 26th, 2009 02:08 AM
WHAT???? Are you for real
Originally Posted by puncho
From what TnMike said, this guy is a complete dummy who didnt even know the laws of the state for which he was preaching..
I try to shy away from idiots, I find it hard to learn anything from morons and really dont want to either.. I find myself trying to educate myself from COMPONENT people who have the facts and know the issues at hand.. JMHO
August 26th, 2009 08:22 AM
Mike, I certainly understand your not wanting to go back there. However, it may be better if you use this as an opportunity to educate the ignorant.
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