Security Guard tries to take pistol from OC'er.

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    I want to be a security guard so I can do intelligent things like this guy did. A uniform and a radio are just the same thing as formal training. Paul Blart is my Hero.
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    I was reading that thread that the OP linked. The guy seems to think he may possibly get sued for medical down the road... correct me if I'm wrong... GA is a Castle Doctrine state is it not? He used only the amount of force necessary... Shouldn't he be immune from any legal damages?

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    If the CCw'r was wearing his CCW badge or sash this would of never happened.

    If the CCW'r is charge with anthing I am in for $100.00 for his defense fund.

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    Castle Doctrine State? re Pro2A

    Quote Originally Posted by Pro2A View Post
    I was reading that thread that the OP linked. The guy seems to think he may possibly get sued for medical down the road... correct me if I'm wrong... GA is a Castle Doctrine state is it not? He used only the amount of force necessary... Shouldn't he be immune from any legal damages?
    Castle doctrine refers to your domicile and perhaps your car. Person discussed in this thread was in neither. A few states have stand your ground laws. I've no idea if GA is one of them.

    He certainly was within his rights to defend himself-especially from the possibility of being disarmed. However, let's look at this situation from the point of view of folks who are not us--- like maybe a typical juror with no interest in these matters.

    The naive might ask, "why didn't the guy stop assaulting the guard the instant he realized it was a security guard?" [Perhaps the naive would not realize that trained individuals as this guy seems to be would instinctively use a pattern of multiple strikes and it is almost impossible to stop once started.]

    The naive might think to themselves that a security guard was merely doing his job, and had a right to disarm. They may, or may not believe whatever testimony is presented at whatever trial (civil or criminal) should follow, which of the two was the true victim of an assault.

    There is a big difference between whacking away at a uniformed security guard (who for all we know is also a certified peace officer working a second job --hope not for the guys sake) and taking exactly the same action on a total stranger such as another shopper who grabs for the gun. At least it will appear that way to the typical juror.

    All I'm saying is that this isn't quiet as clear cut a scenario as it appears to us. We have our viewpoint. The other 98% of the human population who don't have CHLs etc., and who lack any MA training, and who don't OC, might see this quite differently.

    I'm on the side of the guy OC ing, but do not think that he is going to have an easy time of his immediate future. And, he will likely be paying medical bills even if he is never charged with any crime.
    Remember, the legal standard for collecting for the medical damages is very low as compared to the standard for criminal conviction. And, a judge in a civil trial might not even allow a "necessity" style defense.

    Think judge Judy. What would she likely be yelling?

    "He was wearing a security guards uniform. You didn't notice that? What, are you blind? Are you some kind of idiot? So he wanted your gun to protect himself? Big deal. What were you afraid of? It was his job to do what he did. You hit this man for no good reason so hard that you knocked him out!!!! Shut up. I've heard enough. Judgment for the plaintiff."

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmodel65 View Post
    wait what?? GCO v Strength (Richmond County's Sheriff)
    might want to read through that.... not only did the cop snatch the gun from the holster he stole it because the owner(a soldier who has the same authority as the cop to carry in GA)didnt have a receipt....
    I don't mean to discredit your post or anything but I researched that case with GCO v. RCSO. No where did the plantiff state that the officer physically took the gun away from him in the legal court document (the settlement). Assuming with most seizures the officer asked for the weapon and secured it while he questioned the man. He had several reports the male was acting suspiciously. The deputy also smelled alcohol on his breath and he had just purchased a case of alcohol.

    To a reasonable man, the officer justifiably took the weapon for his safety and the safety of everyone else until the man was able to claim it. Pretty open and shut to me.

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    I wonder what the guard planned on doing with the gentleman's firearm, once he had it in his possession? Dangle it over his head and try to get him to jump for it, perhaps? Stick it in his own waistband, and cross his arms like a tough guy? Run away yelling "Neener, neener"?
    Doesn't seem like a well thought out course of action at all! I really wonder what goes on in people's heads sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roalho View Post
    I wonder what the guard planned on doing with the gentleman's firearm, once he had it in his possession? Dangle it over his head and try to get him to jump for it, perhaps? Stick it in his own waistband, and cross his arms like a tough guy? Run away yelling "Neener, neener"?
    Doesn't seem like a well thought out course of action at all! I really wonder what goes on in people's heads sometimes.
    I was wondering the same thing. So, he gets it away from the guy, did he really expect he'd stand there and just go, "Oh boy, you got me!"

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    Wow..... That guy is officially a ninja....

    security guard is lucky to have walked away with a broken nose and jaw

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDubbs413 View Post
    I don't mean to discredit your post or anything but I researched that case with GCO v. RCSO. No where did the plantiff state that the officer physically took the gun away from him in the legal court document (the settlement). Assuming with most seizures the officer asked for the weapon and secured it while he questioned the man. He had several reports the male was acting suspiciously. The deputy also smelled alcohol on his breath and he had just purchased a case of alcohol.

    To a reasonable man, the officer justifiably took the weapon for his safety and the safety of everyone else until the man was able to claim it. Pretty open and shut to me.


    yes because hanging out with a man with a banjo is super suspicious? and it is legal to drink and carry in ga as long as you dont do it at a restaurant(and the soldiers are exempt from that that as well....) and iirc from his post on a local forum he had not been drinking....

    the officer did seize the gun without cause and keep it.....and then the PD refused to give it back......
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    Ok here is a twist. Same as OP but while fighting for control of CCW'r gun. CCW'r pulls bug with support hand and shoots security guard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HITCH KING View Post
    Ok here is a twist. Same as OP but while fighting for control of CCW'r gun. CCW'r pulls bug with support hand and shoots security guard.
    Probably justifiable.

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    The post has been updated by the victim (the OCer)....ADA will not file charges; video evidence clearly shows case for self-defense. However, the video (which the victim has) is being held until the civil case (if one ever arises...yeah...a sad world) is settled (or the idiot security guard declines to sue)....afterall, he has medical bills to pay...
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    That guard is the biggest idiot ever! I'm no LEO...but I can't imagine that would be encouraged. I'm most baffled by the fact that the guard created a MAJOR safety issue for those in the store and around them unnecessarily. A holstered weapon is safe...a weapon that is being wrestled back n forth creates a dangerous situation. What if it went off and hit a bystander? What if the OC'r had a bug? Hope this works out for the legally armed citizen.

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    Having read the entire thread on the other site I am waving the B.S. flag! Have you all read the rest of this guys posts? The more I read the less credible the guy is. Until I see something from a verifiable source I am just writing him off as the anti-Gecko45.
    I especially liked the one about his employer who requires him to carry at all times and is going to make it all go away!
    Call me cynical, but unless we are talking about a Barney and Andy department why would a Sergeant, much less the duty commander care about what is in reality a simple assault and battery case? And why would a political person as in a prosecutor make something "go away" for some private employer? Not a good career move. I wont even bother with the legal issues of the employer "requiring" his employees to armed while off the clock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fox2102 View Post
    Wow..... That guy is officially a ninja....

    The more I read and look at this..........the more I see Gecko.45






    Guess he got a job down Savannah way.......
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