Security Guard tries to take pistol from OC'er.

[TN_Mike]

I just read this thread for the first time. Wow. Not sure what to say about the moron security guard.

But, he's lucky he's not dead for one. Just knocked out is the best he could have hoped for.

Second, the OC'er just hit the jack pot. If I were him I would be suing the store, the guard company and the guard himself and I would be buying a ton of new guns with the winnings.

[DefensiveCarry.com]

[stevem174]

This has reinforced one point for me. If I am ever involved in an incident, I am not going to make an internet post about it until it is settled.

[EvilMonk]

Wow, that guard was stupid.

I fear however, that the word "is" may be a better one to use...

[DrLewall]

any updated word as to the outcome of this? Is the wanna be Gecko45 still working at that store?

[falcon1]

This has reinforced one point for me. If I am ever involved in an incident, I am not going to make an internet post about it until it is settled.

Indeed. Words for the wise....

[Match10]

This has reinforced one point for me. If I am ever involved in an incident, I am not going to make an internet post about it until it is settled.

Uh... Yes.

[Sgt Z Squad]

Just another reason I prefer CC to OC.

Ditto with your input!

[Grantspastor]

The more I read and look at this..........the more I see Gecko.45






Guess he got a job down Savannah way.......

My thoughts exactly! Could it be that the ellusive Gecko.45 has blown his cover?

[GM]

a guy on a local forum was at a big box retail store when a security guard decided he was gonna disarm him sneakily....

GeorgiaPacking.org: Well it happened

This is something that has been bugging me for a long time. What should the consequences be if someone tries to take my firearm while I am carrying (not matter if I OC or CC) and then I fire it and hurt that person? To what degree are we allowed to protect our carry firearm if someone tries to take/steal it from us? Should it be considered self-defense? How could I possible know if that person is not trying to take my firearm from me to hurt me or other people? Any ideas?

[ccw9mm]

To what degree are we allowed to protect our carry firearm if someone tries to take/steal it from us? Should it be considered self-defense?

It's clearly robbery, so far as I can tell. Robbery's a felony in Oregon. A forcible felony can lawfully be guarded against via the use of force, up to and including the use of deadly force.

How could I possible know if that person is not trying to take my firearm from me to hurt me or other people?

You can't possibly know.

Only a fool would believe that it's not possible for a firearm just robbed from you to be turned on you. That's naive beyond words. I mean, guns are fired for criminal purposes or to defend against crime. You've just had a forcible felony that has now resulted in an armed felon within arm's distance of you. By any standard, that is an incredibly threatened position to be in.

Whether legal putzes would see it that way, though, is a question. I'm sure in some states it would be ruled against the citizen and for the felon, in spite of all rationality.

Now, this thread is about a uniformed security/police officer contacting you. If I was being stripped of my firearm, I'd almost certainly react immediately to retain it. However, if first approached by a uniformed officer an then the legally-protected procedures of a stop were done, then that's an entirely different scenario.

[mcp1810]

Well, if this did occur it was not in SCMPD's jurisdiction. I was just browsing their weekly crime report for the week ending 01/02/10 and there is nothing there.

[rmodel65]

would it be listed if both parties declined to press charges because there wasnt a crime?? maybe its was the sheriff office???

[Moga]

Just another reason I prefer CC to OC.

He was OC'ing according to the link supplied above.

Is open carry even an option for you? In Canada?

That guard sure picked a tough customer on which to try and pull that crap. Thankfully Matt has some restraint and didn't completely go ballistic on the tool and lose his freedom as a result, or worse.

I fully expect people that have strong opinions against open carry will attempt to leverage this isolated incident as evidence for their belief that openly carrying a gun is not a wise idea. I say that this is such an isolated event that to characterize it as statistically insignificant is an understatement.

[mcp1810]

would it be listed if both parties declined to press charges because there wasnt a crime?? maybe its was the sheriff office???

Incident reports in every department I am familiar with are completely independant of any decision to prosecute. The decision to prosecute is not made by the police. And, assuming the event happened as described that very nicely fits the definition of an aggravated assault in the Georgia Code. The guard allegedly put his hand on the OP and attempted to take his weapon without permission. That is a simple assault in the furtherence of a robbery. The question comes down to who is the primary response agency for the location in question. Incident reports are generally created by the computer aided dispatch system. The primary officer asks for a report number and with a couple of keystrokes it is generated by C.A.D. Numbering is either sequential (first report of the year is XX000001 or as SCMPD does by date YYMMDD001 with every date having a report series starting at number one). In areas with concurrent jurisdiction who ever writes the report uses the report number and files the report with the agency that has primary respnsibility for the location. That way anyone looking for a report can find it easily.

[ep1953]

At what point does one become an "ex veteran"?

Sorry...couldn't resist.

When they re-enlist??