You get with OC...
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Most people who see a gun coupled with a nice/efficient holster tend ...
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January 27th, 2010 04:07 AM
You get with OC...
Just a poll to find out if a theory of mine is true:
Most people who see a gun coupled with a nice/efficient holster tend to assume that you are an LEO, and are therefore less inclined to freak out and make the MWAG call.
I have found that the body language and poise used in conjunction with OC makes all the difference.
As I've said before, if you walk around like your fly is down, people will pick up on that "energy" and act accordingly. If you display nonchalance about the whole thing, folks tend to make an assumption that explains the phenomena before them and go about their business.
I have experimented with the difference between Overt Display of Condition Yellow vs. the covert version. You can be very SA without staring down everyone in the store/restaurant/building, and again, freaking everyone out ("He's casing the joint!").
Don't act embarrassed or awkward, but don't be overbearing or issue non-verbal "dares" to question your actions.
Just a thought.
That which does not kill us leaves us broken and bleeding...
Donít mess with the guy who can barely stand up. His remaining options for self-defense don't include your survival.
Convenire Volui Spectatus
January 27th, 2010 06:00 AM
I've paied attention to those around me during the few times I'm OC'ing, I can't help it actually. It's obvious some see/notice my sidearm but, for the most part, the people just keep on going about thier business. Some may see it but ignore it/don't care, but there a bunch in their own safe little universe who go about their 'bidness' blissfully unaware of anything too.
I've gotten a few questions from those enquiring minds who just have to ask.
Your right though, body language, demeanor.........people who actually see a sidearm open carried will asses the threat by what they see most of the time from the carrier.
"Just getting a concealed carry permit means you haven't commited a crime yet. CCP holders commit crimes." Daniel Vice, senior attorney for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, quoted on Fox & Friends, 8 Jul, 2008
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January 27th, 2010 08:42 AM
I agree with you Monk. If you act like you belong most of the time you will be treated as if you do.
January 27th, 2010 08:58 AM
tie: they notice, ask questions (usually they ask Jr "is your mommy a cop?" which I think is SO weird)
or they just don't notice. ba-a-a-a-a-a-a.
Don't frisk me, I am the weapon.
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NRA Member & Pistol Instructor
January 27th, 2010 09:22 AM
In most cases, if they even notice, they don't ask about it.
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NRA Life Member
January 27th, 2010 01:03 PM
The vast majority don't notice at all.
If they notice and make eye contact I just smile and maybe say something to them. Most don't ask questions.
The few that ask questions are usually folks I am having to deal with, employees of stores. I can think of one guy, non employee, that asked about it, but we had seen each other in 2 restaurants within 20 minutes. We were doing the exact same thing, his wife wanted subs and he wanted Japanese.
I've dealt with LEO's while OCing. But never because of a MWAG call. I was in the local PD comm center when a MWAG call came in. It was handled rather casually. Guy on the side of the road walking around his truck had a gun. He was gone by the time a LEO managed to ride by. Dispatcher commented that it was probably an off duty LEO.
January 27th, 2010 01:40 PM
I picked up some ammo at Walmart while OC'ing there for my first time on Monday. The door greeter saw my firearm and said, "Thanks for being safe", with a big smile. Several folks took note of my firearm while I was en route to the gun counter, then back to my car, and not one looked alarmed at all; A non-issue.
Except for the gentleman (sketchy teen who couldn't stand still) requesting my assistance to help obtain fuel for his stranded car. I politely relayed that I would be late for a meeting. He took one look at my firearm and disappeared.
January 27th, 2010 02:06 PM
I occasionally, when camping, boating, or the old days when 4 wheeling, will open carry, and have been asked about it fairly often. Never had any problems because of it though.
January 27th, 2010 08:41 PM
Alot of OC only once the cops were called, I find OC is a good conversation starter.
January 27th, 2010 09:04 PM
Originally Posted by SAMI
As far as I knew, Wal-Mart wouldn't sell you ammo if they could see your weapon or knew you had it on you. That is how it is here and I have to pull out the badge (damn I hate doing that).
But as far as the original topic goes, first off, I rarely OC. I like the element of suprise. Second of all, when I do, I act like I am doing nothing wrong, because I a not. I am an upstanding citizen that payes my taxes and supports the Constitution. I've had a random question here and there about it, but they are normally about WHAT I am carrying, not why.
Freedom itself was attacked this morning by a faceless coward, and freedom will be defended
January 27th, 2010 10:29 PM
Now that is just dumb
As far as I knew, Wal-Mart wouldn't sell you ammo if they could see your weapon or knew you had it on you.
January 27th, 2010 10:41 PM
I suppose they can do that since they "reserve the right to deny anyone service" but it's still not right.
Originally Posted by Treo
January 27th, 2010 11:15 PM
Walmart didn't stop me from buying .40 ammo while OC'ing my G23
January 28th, 2010 12:48 AM
That's an easy one. I would say that 99.9% of the people I come into contact with while open carrying do not notice at all.
I have said in the past that I believe I could walk into my local Kroger grocery store with my AR slung on my back and maybe one person would notice out of 100.
Most people in my experience are in what I call "atomic condition white". They will not notice a gun in someone's hand unless a shot is fired. Then they would say something stupid like "It came out of nowhere!" when in fact it was right in front of their faces but they were to out of it to notice.
January 28th, 2010 12:21 PM
I have OC'd around town here a few times maybe 8 in total, with different result's.
Most people that notice scurry away fearfully, I have had the police called twice and thankfully they know the law's, so I have not had an issue with them.
I have even been asked if I was a State Trooper, the simple effect of wearing a long sleeved shirt and a tie. That's not going to happen wearing jeans and a t-shirt.
One local resident even asked me if I was one of the newly appointed officers on our local police force.
I only wish I was brave enough to carry OC style all the time, but I limit my carry to when it hopefully wont be noticed.
Surrounded and outnumbered, pass me my vest!