If a LEO grabs your gun...

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    I would hope that a LEO would never do that. I am sure that IF this happened that the person could go to jail and it could cost a lot of money explaining your side of the story. I am sure that most officers would announce themselves or at least have backup. If an officer is that naive to think that they could do that I would hope that at the least they would get retrained on proper techniques for stopping someone that is carrying by the Department. I am sure if it was me I would be apologizing after I spoke to an attorney and hope that I could get out of it with just a big misunderstanding. I do not think that I would try to explain to the officer how stupid his actions were without having an attorney present, as I feel that could make the situation much worse. I would never on the other hand allow ANYONE besides a LEO that has properly ID themselves to me remove my firearm. Once they did I would do EVERYTHING they instructed me to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellCT View Post
    You should punish any recruit who allows his weapon to be taken without KOing the guy who took the gun. Run them till the vomit, quit or die.
    Heeeeeeeyyyyyy...just what kind of mean ol' instructor do you think I am? I would never engage in such awful, heartless behavior. I'm all about hugging and cuddling.



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    It's possible,But not in Fl. OC= Illeagle ; )
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    For the sake of this thread and the "opening poster".....

    I am sorry for using the word or term "stupid".

    It has since been deleted by ADMIN and all references deleted. As well, upon replying to another thread, the forum had me re-read the rules of posting before it would let me.

    Sorry for hurting anyone's feelings and creating an environment that is not condusive to "learning or sharing of ideas".

    However, I have seen other posts that match my "thoughts", but did not use the word that I chose to use above... oh well.

    Sorry guys, I will not post in this thread any more and did not realize that one word was going to get me into so much trouble.

    p.s. - For the poster that stated that I did not have that many posts to my name for me to use the word "stupid", that does not discredit my background, experiences, gun skills or knowledge... next time I will use the word "silly" or "funny". Again, I meant no offense and really like this site and all the information I have learned!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hogdaddy View Post
    It's possible,But not in Fl. OC= Illeagle ; )
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    The notion that cops "always" or "never" do something is planted squarely in the realm of Dangerously Foolish Thinking. Cops aren't trained to take bribes, shake down suspects, threaten law abiding citizens, or take their own lives and yet officers have done these things. If there's any doubt in your mind about police behaving contrary to their training I suggest you re-read some FBI reports on the New Orleans PD corruption.

    Doing a sneak-and-grab on an OC citizen while he's standing in line for a coffee may be extremely rare, but it's not unheard of. This kind of stupidity is also not limited to rookies; there are also crotchety old-timers who enforce as they please, laws/procedures be damned.

    Most cops are professional and disciplined, but every barrel has at least one bad apple floating around in it, and a few that could go either way depending on how a situation plays out.
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    i would wrestle the gun back till i know he is a LEO.
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    I was at WalMart one day and some young security guard (not working for WalMart) came up behind me and tried to take my gun from under my shirt. All he got was a knife in this hand and a free trip to hospital and the jail. I always carry a knife on my non-gun side. He no longer works for a security company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by circle1 View Post
    I was at WalMart one day and some young security guard (not working for WalMart) came up behind me and tried to take my gun from under my shirt. All he got was a knife in this hand and a free trip to hospital and the jail. I always carry a knife on my non-gun side. He no longer works for a security company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pro2A View Post
    Lets say you are minding your own business and a LEO decides to walk up behind you and un-holster your gun because he plans to "detain" you. You didn't see or hear him coming... naturally you are going to bat, elbow or swing at whomever is trying to take your gun.

    Then after you turn around you realize you just popped a LEO in the mouth and busted his lip...

    How would that play out?
    Unless the officer agrees that he was wrong you are going to go to jail. If it is taken to court you will in all probabilities be convicted. You are going to lose big time. It may not be right but it is what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by circle1 View Post
    I was at WalMart one day and some young security guard (not working for WalMart) came up behind me and tried to take my gun from under my shirt. All he got was a knife in this hand and a free trip to hospital and the jail. I always carry a knife on my non-gun side. He no longer works for a security company.
    If your gun was under your shirt, how did he know you were carrying?
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    Quote Originally Posted by UrbanKnight View Post
    last time I checked a LEO needs to identify himself before taking action, if he fails to do so, then if he gets a busted lip oh well...
    yup, there it is right there....
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    I do not think that there are many chances that something like that should happen. But if it does, I should lie down immediately after realizing that it was a LEO.
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    listen to this call to the carry nc police

    this is what happened next this was posted on an other fourm

    I walk into the Fedex Kinkos this morning at Maynard and Walnut street in Cary to have some items boxed for me and shipped. I've OC'd in this location before but of course I check the doors on the way in for signage.

    I hand my things to be boxed up to one clerk and he goes in the back to wrap it up for me. After a couple of minutes one of the other associates behind the counter walks over to me and asks if I have a CCW. I ask him why he wants to know. He says well there is a customer (and kind of nods towards her) who is "offended" by your pistol. I ask is there a Kinko's policy precluding my carrying OR are you asking me to leave because I will do so right away. He says oh no no you don't have to leave. So I said well sir I am not willing to conceal my handgun. So he says ok and walks back over to her like hey I tried.

    So ten minutes later I'm standing around still waiting on my things to be boxed up, facing the counter when someone grabs both of my wrists from behind and lifts them up my back so I can't move and says this is officer Harris with the Cary Police Dept., I need you to come with me. So there I am with my credit card and shipping documents left on the counter and I get "purp walked" past about 6 customers in line behind me who are all staring at me like I'm a criminal. On the way out I believe it was the other officer, CPD Officer Burch who disarmed me. We get outside and I'm told to put my hands on the ext. wall and spread em. I comply physically but the whole time I'm telling the officers you need to take a breath and rethink this approach you are making a big mistake. They remove my spyderco from my front pocket and turn me around. Harris asks to see my CCW and ID. I said sir I'm neither driving a car nor carrying a concealed weapon. He says "your gun was partially concealed, if you don't show me your ccw I will charge you". Not wanting to deal with even a completely bogus charge like this I comply while saying, "Sir, the gun was holstered, OF COURSE it is partially concealed just like yours is." (I carry in an IWB supertuck with my shirt tucked in around it, like some of you may have noticed at Five Guys last week. I am adamantly explaining to them that I have broken no laws, and even had the express permission of one of the employees to be carrying inside the store. I keep asking them why they have embarrassed me and purp walked me out of a perfectly legal business transaction and they say we got a 911 call that you were in the store with a gun. I respond "And...???" That's it? I'm not accused of brandishing or threatening anyone? Well no sir but we have to investigate these calls and for our safety we disarmed you. Officer Harris even asks me if I've ever heard of GATTTOTP. I say yes I sure have and my holstered firearm isn't even the same sport, much less the same ball park as that statute. Are you charging me with GATTTOTP? "Well, no". "Then why are you even mentioning that irrelevant statute?" So we go round and round like that for a while before they hand me my empty weapon back and finally say I'm free to go. I said you know what the worse part about this is guys? The ignoramus that called your dispatch is very pleased with herself right now in thinking she's done the right thing. They said they would call her back to let her know I wasn't breaking any laws. I said your dispatcher should have done that from the get go.

    I walked back inside and to complete my shipment and of course everyone is staring at me. ONE GUY in the front of the line looks at me and says man that really aint right son.

    I get through with Fedex and immediately drive over to CPD to file a complaint. I'm pointed to a community officer who listens to my story and then politely says "Yeah that's exactly how they should have handled it and I would have done the same thing." Then goes into the spiel about officer safety etc... He says the Sgt. I need to speak with to file a complaint isn't here but can be in 10 minutes. I said please send him and wait in the lobby.

    Sgt. Hundley arrives and listens to my explanation of events and is a very cool dude. He tried several times (with plenty of tact) to talk me out of filing an official complaint / allowing him to handle it personally but I politely said he could still work on things on his end after I made a record of it. He had to remain neutral but agreed with me that it was an unfortunate turn of events. He said it likely wasn't the officers' fault since all they got from dispatch was an MWAG call. I agreed that the dispatch should have asked for some basic info before sending out the call but explained how the officers' attitudes toward my lawfully OC'ing had clearly not changed even after they had plenty of time to ascertain I was no criminal. They made it clear from beginning to end that my OC'ing was not a good idea and I could fully expect this same reaction from CPD the next time they got a call with no more detail than a MWAG.

    I'm posting this here because I want to share the experience first and foremost, but I also want honest reactions to how I have handled it so far, and what, if anything else, I should or could be doing. Every time I think about this I get very angry at both the lady who called and the CPD's justifying her irrational complaint with their response.

    I'm supposed to get a call from one of the CPD higher ups in the near future regarding my complaint, and will keep the thread updated.

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    Going ONLY by the details you shared, it sounds like you got straight up hassled under the guise of "officer safety."

    The officers were behind you, your weapon was holstered, your hand wasn't resting on it, you weren't speaking or posturing in a confrontational manner to anyone... No need for all that drama; the officers were safe and had complete control of you without yanking and banking you out the door.

    Officer safety IS important; important enough not to be used as an excuse for that kind of conduct.
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