Nomenclature

Nomenclature

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    Nomenclature

    Aside from the 4 safety rules of gun handling, one of the first things a person learns, or should learn concerning firearms is the common nomenclature. I have yet to find an instructor that uses improper words to describe specific parts on a firearm.

    There's a reason for this: All parts have a specific name! A clip is different from a magazine and the terms are by no means interchangeable.

    Even though that is true, there are still myriads of shooters using incorrect terminology when referring to specific parts of the weapon. And truly, when I see someone make a post referring to a "clip" instead of a magazine, it serves as a mental note to me that the person is either [a] ignorant of the part name [b] really thinks that a magazine is a clip, or [c] doesn't give a rat's hind end either way.

    Most unfortunate is that some organizations that should know better interchange the two.

    The common defense for using the term clip instead of magazine is, "well everyone knows what was meant". Really? If you need a set of tires, go to the tire store and tell the guy behind the counter that you need four new wheels and that you'll be back later to pick the vehicle up. He knew what you meant, right?

    Is this a pet peave of mine? You bet. When I see someone incorrectly use the term it makes me think that they fall into one of the ABC categories above, and it instantly marks them in my mind as a newb ... no matter how long they claim to be a shooter. And really, if they have been shooting for a long period of time and still call a mag a clip, it only solidifies in my mind that they have had no professional training and I will interact with them accordingly or not at all.

    Learn and use the proper nomenclature!

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    Not to nit pick, but what you have labeled "Loading Clip" is what I have always known as an "En-bloc Clip", both in reference to Garands and bolt actions. Illustrating a Half Moon or Full Moon Clip would also be educational.

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    I interchange those words magazine and clip. Sometimes. Yes I am new, and thank you for pointing out that it's such a sore point.

    BTW, pet peave is really spelled pet peeve.

    I also call "pop" soda, and call the sofa a "couch".

    I would love to hear other no-nos (or is that no-no's) of firearms nomenclature. I know someone with many years of military field work who calls Hydra-Shoks "those hydraulic rounds".

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    My guess is you are the "newb" to many that use the term clip and magazine interchangeably. The term clip for magazine was very common even into the late 70's in the military training. The true old time shooters will always know it as a clip. I think we all agree that if they ask for a clip for their 1911 that they are asking for another bullet box.

    If you use the talking down to strategy trying to get someone retrained on non critical terminology you run a good chance of turning them off to any other training too. Not a good trade.

    Relax, there are many other things that could use the nit picking much more.

    Using the term is neither ignorant nor "doesn't give a rat's hind end either way" it was the way they were taught either via movies or the old school instructors. I've have had instructors with years of service use the term clip.

    I have no problems understanding any student of mine that uses the term clip in place of magazine. I'm just happy they have enough interest to learn how to shoot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cammo girl View Post
    I interchange those words magazine and clip. Sometimes. Yes I am new, and thank you for pointing out that it's such a sore point.

    BTW, pet peave is really spelled pet peeve.

    I also call "pop" soda, and call the sofa a "couch".

    I would love to hear other no-nos (or is that no-no's) of firearms nomenclature. I know someone with many years of military field work who calls Hydra-Shoks "those hydraulic rounds".


    Does anyone else see irony at work here? Or is that c irony at work here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NC Bullseye View Post
    I think we all agree that if they ask for a clip for their 1911 that they are asking for another bullet box.
    Just as I said:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ride4TheBrand
    The common defense for using the term clip instead of magazine is, "well everyone knows what was meant".
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    the same as another, and that he is best
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    Years ago the thingys that hold the bullets was called a clip. Sometimes it still is by me. I will try to change. The magazine use to be the big secure room that munitions were stored in. And all handguns use to be pistols. Now pistols are semi autos only. Who authorized revolvers to become non pistols without my consent.
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    I do understand the importance of proper nomenclature. On the other hand, language is ever changing. In common speech, I think it's OK for someone to say clip instead of magazine. I personally will never do it, but I don't let it bother me. The commonly accepted definition of a lot of words have been changing.
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    A clip is always a magazine, but a magazine is not always a clip.

    Magazine refers to any ammunition storage device; be that the tube of a shotgun, or the powder stores of a Spanish galleon.

    The most appropriate term for a typical semiauto handgun magazine would be:"detachable box magazine"
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    Being a fun-loving antagonist, I like to use clip just to elicit the "a clip goes in your hair, not in your gun" response.

    Does language matter, you bet. But the point of correct language is to allow as many people as possible to understand. So, if you want to refer to the enclosed stack of cartridges/rounds/bullets as a clip, have at it.
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    Also, is it a weapon, firearm, gun or piece? LOL.

    Honestly, this reminds me of proper radio procedure taught in all branches of the armed forces. For example;

    The proper way to state that you've concluded your last statement, and are awaiting a reply is "Over". If you don't intend to continue the transmission, the proper phrase is "Out".

    However, nobody says it that way. The word 'out' is too short and easily blanked out by the keying of the mike, so everybody says "Over and out".

    Every now and then, I'd have a boot try to correct me .

    'Not implying that the OP is a boot nor anything less than correct. However, if I understand what someone is trying to communicate to me, then that's all I need.
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    Methinks some of you have too much time on your hands if you're getting all worked up about clips and magazines. Really!
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    If you are looking for someone to blame, blame Hollywood.

    It really doesn't bother me all that much. After all, the name is the least important aspect of something. You could cal um "shrouded, constant feed, spring force, unidirectional, nested ammo reservoir" for all I care. That is SCFSFUNAR for short. :)

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    I want to see some humor in an action flick like the guy behind cover asks the girl for a "clip" she hands him a barrette
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