OC sprayed my 8th felon of the year

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    OC sprayed my 8th felon of the year

    Had a typical thug go off in court this AM, threatening the judge and being verbally abusive. It's my job to get these animals to their court appearances and back to their cage. Sometimes as many as over a 100 a day, sometimes as few as 15 or 20.

    So, I grab this guy and escort him out of the courtroom. When I get him back to his cell, he decides to become assaultive. I am able to parry the first flurry, but have nowhere to go in this little cell. This is a pretty good sized guy, having a considerable reach on me, as well as about 6 inches in height.

    I went for my OC, and one stream to the face broke him down like a shotgun. After that it was over for him.

    The reason I am posting this, is because I want to stress the importance of carrying a less than lethal option to all are members here that carry a firearm. It truly fills a niche area between those time that you could get your ass kicked, but do not call for killing someone.

    In our society, you are just as likely to encounter a mental health type person as a hard core criminal. Or, even a drunk person, or other chemically altered mind. While know one wants to get hurt, bruised or such, in some situations commonly encountered, shooting someone may cause more headache and financial nightmares noone wants to live thru. The non lethal force option allows you to protect yourself, without the stigma and nightmare for these very common encounters.

    I have used OC spray more over the years than I can count. 8 times this year alone. It has never failed to work. I am aware of the fact that there are some that it doesn't affect, but I have yet to encounter that person. The effects are temporary, does not causes serious, or long term damage, and complete blinds the recipient.

    So, please consider making a non lethal force option a part of your edc. Sometimes a lethal force option may be the best or most feasible option. But in reality, you are much more likely to need pepper spray than the firearm.
    Just something I want you to consider.
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    LOL!
    Well...not really...but I have made OC-17 part of my carry, and my girlfriend carries it since she won't carry anything else. Less than lethal options didn't even appeal to me until this past couple of years for reasons of my own. Options are good.
    #8 and it's only coming up on July? What's your average for a year anyway? Ever get some on you while hosing them down? Just wondering.

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    In the cramped quarters, the spray does affect everybody to some degree. I did a little coughing, and sneezing while cuffing the dummy. But it ate him up.
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    So...brand recommendations? Seems a bit like shopping for fire extinguishers...until they've actually used it, reviews are limited to, "Well, it looks pretty and seems good". Don't find too many people with a wide amount of experience!

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    I don't like using that stuff

    it only makes them harder to contain.

    it's not like a tazer where after 5 seconds, it's like it never happened, but they comply now because they don't want another jolt

    with the OC, once you spray it, they start figthing you to try rubbing their faces. they go wild. not to mention you get it on yourself too now

    tazer all the way. F OC

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    Quote Originally Posted by cj View Post
    So...brand recommendations? Seems a bit like shopping for fire extinguishers...until they've actually used it, reviews are limited to, "Well, it looks pretty and seems good". Don't find too many people with a wide amount of experience!

    Yeah, please give us some specific details (brands, dispensers, etc). And thanks for posting that example!

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    On duty, I do carry a big honking can of pepper spray.

    Off duty, in my regular day job, I do not - though I used to.

    Why did I stop carrying pepper spray? Couple of reasons...

    First - there is a limit to how much stuff you can carry. I find it easier to conceal a small gun than a can of spray - and yes, at work, my spray would need to be concealed as well.

    Second - I don't want to have to decide between gun and spray, and have that lag time work against me. After all, most of the time a gun is drawn, the perp runs away, so a gun can be "non lethal." Of course, there are more possible legal ramifications to drawing a gun than spray.

    Then, there is the concern that, if you do use your gun while you have pepper spray on you, someone can second guess you - ie; "Why did you use your gun when you could have just used the spray instead?"

    And finally, as I get older, I would increasingly view the possibility of "getting my ass kicked" as potentially lethal, and deserving of an appropriate response.

    ETA - One more reason...if I get some of the spray on myself, I could be impaired if things go further downhill. That's a big one for me.

    I've gone back and forth on this issue. Certainly, spray is good for stuff like animals that threaten. But overall, no spray for me.

    Good post, Gman!
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    As expected, :), a few LE would input. However, please understand my post was made with the objectives of a private citizen going about their everyday lives. They have no need to " control" a subject after spraying them in defense, and in fact have no duty to do so. Their only objective is to get away from harms way.

    10thmtn, I think the fear of what it's, has about as much reality as the what it's about using your own handloads. Really no substance.

    For all those who want to know what I used, it's the MK3 by Defense Technology, that has been our issue for years. It is a .2%, and is water based with an antifreeze agent to prevent clogging of the nozzle or freezing.
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    Only two more sprays and you win a new hat! Thanks for your service, and stay well.
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    Last night I flipped on the tube just in time to see the report of a robbery in a town near me, on the news. At first report, the guy came into the place and pepper sprayed the clerk. Details were sketchy as it had just happened and the police were at the scene dusting for prints.

    I'm glad that you posted this because I was thinking to myself as I watched the news, "What would have I done if I was there?" as I tried to picture myself at the scene when it happened. I'm sure a lot of us here do the same thing from time to time. Now, that said, I don't carry spray as of yet but your post does give some food for thought for those of us that do not. Maybe if I was there and had pepper spray, it would be a dual of the spray cans. But for now, it's knuckles to cheeks until the last resort is needed.

    I think someone could make a lot of money around here if they opened a place for comprehensive training in the use of firearms / less than lethal in conjunction. Not just theory, I mean REAL training. There's more and more people obtaining their CCW around here and you would think that a facility for good, real-life training is a no brainer. Anyway, that's another subject.

    Though your post gives some good insight as to why someone would want to carry pepper spray along with a last resort weapon, it's my belief that most people don't carry both. They're either the type that thinks of last resort and has the wherewithal to carry lethal force, or to them that's not an option, can't picture them carrying something like that etc., and goes for the less than lethal and hopes for the best.

    Good post though glockman, it gets one thinking. Thank you.
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    mprp, thank you, and you are welcome. My intent was exactly that; to encourage folks to think a little outside the box. I do carry pepper spray, because I believe in it.

    However, I encourage any less than lethal force that rounds out ones SD edc.

    We must keep our feet on the ground, and remember that a shooting SD situation is only a drop in the bucket compared to the most likely encounter we will have.

    I will even go as far as saying that I believe it's better to leave the knife or extra mag at home for the other option.
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    Definitely something to think about. Thanks for posting.

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    carried HALT in the 70's. worked half the time on dogs. there were some that actually would charge me to get a 'fix'
    this i know cause some mail carriers mentioned it too.

    it never occured to me to try it on a person....thats what guns are for--if it come to that
    but you dress different than me for work. so to are the rules you work under.

    best is to go through a day with not a thing out of place.
    but i will do as needed to ensure i go home after work to my family.
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    Cool

    Glad it worked out for ya G-man.

    The first time I used a less than lethal force spray was in 1971 and it was the then new at the time MACE.

    It worked quite well though it did tend to contaminate everyone in the immediate area and cleared the bar out real fast.

    Of the several dozen times I used the Aerko OC/CS combination spray over the years it never failed to incapacitate.

    That's not to say it can't happen it just never happened to me.

    Now retired I carry either the Def-Tec or MACE OC/CS formulation.

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    The decision to carry less than lethal options is up to the individual ofcourse.

    I personnaly always have a less than lethal force option when carrying a lawful firearm for self defense.

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    OS, that red Def-Tec can is the exact one I use.
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