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Honest opinion on rail lights for concealed carry

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    "1) for those of you who conceal carry with tactical rail lights how often do you seriously need them and use them?"

    To answer your question I have never needed to use the light. I've never had to draw my weapon either.

    That being said, I carry a G21 with a WML whenever I know I will be out at night and can conceal the pistol in regards to what I'm wearing.

    As a defensive minded person having a WML is always a good option to have whether it's needed in a situation or not. I can think of a multitude of situations where a WML would be effective to use.

    Also having a bright handheld light is arguably more handy due to the fact that drawing the weapon requires more just cause and shining a handheld light in someone's face requires much less.

    The effects of a bright light in someone's eyes can be vital in your defense assuming it's dark out. Some may say all you really need is a handheld light, but this can be argued easily with different situations. For example I carry my child though parking lots and I'm not going to be able to use my free hand for a light and use a pistol at the same time. If someone is approaching me while carrying my child and I challenge them on there intentions and ask them to stay back and they don't, then drawing the pistol and illuminating the area is well within reason for ME.

    Keep in mind just because you draw your weapon and turn the light on doesn't mean you HAVE TO point it directly at them. This is why a good light should be as bright as possible and have good "spill" and if he continues then you may be justified to point the pistol at them and temporary blind them and try to move.

    Is a WML mandatory for me? No. Do I carry one often when applicable? Yes.

    I like options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post
    True;That's part of the advantage.

    Most people only think of using a WML like they are coon hunting and give no thought as to the tactical considerations that are involved in the use of a flashlight because they haven't been taught any better.
    I couldn't agree more. Training and practice with a WML is very understated. There is a right way to use a WML and a wrong way. This is also true for a handheld light in general in regards to searching or assessing a potential threat.

    Of course that's a whole other topic in itself!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renaldow View Post
    I won't put a light on any of my pistols. If I need a light, it will be in my left hand. Get a friend and go play hide n seek in the dark. You take a flashlight. I bet he finds you first, instead of the other way around. Darkness is cover to use.

    So what if the other hand is occupied and you really can't see a thing?
    I mean as facts go you will be surprised by the attacker most likely in a situation you will not even see coming.

    I'm just trying to figure out how would you handle that since I guess experience/training might/or not give you the knowledge people like me don't have.

    I mean this is just one scenario out of many so I'm still trying to find a reason why NOT to have that WML just in case "one out of a million" happens to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GR View Post
    So what if the other hand is occupied and you really can't see a thing?
    I mean as facts go you will be surprised by the attacker most likely in a situation you will not even see coming.

    I'm just trying to figure out how would you handle that since I guess experience/training might/or not give you the knowledge people like me don't have.

    I mean this is just one scenario out of many so I'm still trying to find a reason why NOT to have that WML just in case "one out of a million" happens to you.
    Everybody's situation is different. For me, the only time I'd be doing this would be 3am in my own home. I live alone. I know my home. At night I can walk it in the dark with no problems. Already there's two major advantages over any kind of intruder. Also, since I live alone, if someone's in my house I don't really need to identify friend/foe. At 3am in my home, it's always going to be a foe. If I had kids, roommates, etc. I'd likely rethink it and figure out what method will work best for me in that situation. So chances are I'd have no light at all on me, and if I did, it's not going to be on unless it absolutely positively has to be.

    It's my thought that most people don't trust their night vision as much as they could. We can actually see pretty good in the dark once our eyes adjust. I do a lot of astronomy and camping in the warmer months, and that's a situation where I'm outside in as pitch black an area as possible, with absolutely no lights. I've learned to set up telescopes, manipulate optics, even sketch and write with no light. It's difficult at first, but it's a learned skill like any other.

    My thought for house clearing type situations is, if you're going to walk around with a light on, you might as well just skip the flashlight and turn on lights as you go. That will take away the advantage of darkness that the intruder is enjoying, while allowing you to see. Walking around the house with a flashlight or wml on gives the advantage of darkness to the intruder and puts a mobile beacon on yourself so the intruder can easily see you approaching. With a flashlight or wml, an intruder can know where you are, but if you're turning on and leaving on lights in your home, an intruder can only know where you've been.

    Again, these are just my thoughts on the matter and what I've found works for me.
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    I carry a single battery AA light in my pocket. I use it almost every day. I do not however have a light on my CC. All of my flashlight needs to this day haven't required me to be pointing a gun at them at the same time. I can see the appeal for a HD gun but have no need on a daily CC pistol.
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    I recently added a way/with a laser to my Ruger 9e. If I ever need a light and my weapon, it's got to be in the same place. My physical limitations prevents me from using them independently. It dose have its limitations as I have yet to find a holster that doesn't look like it came straight out of a Rambo movie. Although those holsters have there place they're not practical for concealed carry. If I can't find one I might take it off or probably buy another 9 for daylight carry. If anyone has suggestions?
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    Pretty much everything I ever thought I knew about WMLs and flashlights was de-bunked when I took my first low light shooting class. The flashlight I carry is a non-lethal, stand-alone weapon before my gun ever leaves the holster. Unless one's opinion is based on personal experience and training, there really isn't much to discuss on threads like this one.

    WMLs, IMO have a very limited and narrow set of practical applications for the non-LEO, non-door-kicking concealed carrier. If one wants to spend the money and go through the trouble of getting the gear to carry one edc, that's their business. Personally, I see no point.
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    I'm a HUGE fan. I started using a combination light/green laser on my Glock after a home invasion scare. I realized that when you wake up in the middle of the night to a loud noise, your house is dark and you need a flashlight! You also need to see your sights which is difficult and even with night sights your eyes adjust to the light from the flashlight and they are harder to see.

    A combination laser/light solves all these problems. You don't need to hold your gun in one hand and the flashlight in the other, you don't have to keep a flashlight with your home defense gun at all times, and the laser negates the need for iron sights.

    I finally got a custom holster and now I carry the laser/light on my CC gun because odds are i'm going to be attacked at night somewhere dark, in which case the light would help.

    The only downsides are cost. You want to get a good light with a green laser (i use a surefire) and a good custom holster is also expensive. Other than that, it's only going to help you.

    Also, I can draw and shoot faster/more accurately using the laser than I can with the sights. Aim the laser right above a perfect sight picture so you have a good point of reference for fast sight alignment.


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    I'm late to the party on this one, but after having used a WML myself I find it a nice addition. Is it necessary? I think that depends on your situation. If you live in an apartment building with hallways, and the moment you open your door at night the room fills with light, not really. If you're out in the country away from street lights, yeah, I think it can only help. But for most places these days, there is enough ambient light that they aren't essential as far as home use goes. Street work is a different matter.

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    I personally don't have a light on the gun,. if you want one why not? these days you have very small types which won't add much bulk.

    most encounters here are at daylight or there is at least some street light etc. its not pitch black,. the bad guy also needs to see right ;-)

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    Never needed or wanted a WML. The thought that you could illuminate some none threat person, and to do so you are also pointing a pistol at them? No sir.

    My left side gear, spare G17 mag, for my G19. Next to spare mag, Surefire in a snug carrier.
    Used my light, way more than I have used my pistol.
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    Not an LEO.

    I keep my gun holstered unless I plan to use it -- and am justified to do so.

    No gun light for me.

    I carry a flashlight.
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    after thinking about it,. yes get a rail light.
    I would buy one if I had spare money ;-) for now I prefer to shoot on the range more often.
    you see,. it not just the rail light,. also order another custom holster which is also around 100$... I will do it sometime in the future,. I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scouse View Post
    Never needed or wanted a WML. The thought that you could illuminate some none threat person, and to do so you are also pointing a pistol at them? No sir.

    My left side gear, spare G17 mag, for my G19. Next to spare mag, Surefire in a snug carrier.
    Used my light, way more than I have used my pistol.
    That's why you bounce the light off the floor or a wall, so that the splash can illuminate the room without waving your gun about. I thought the same way you did before getting one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danielst View Post
    after thinking about it,. yes get a rail light.
    I would buy one if I had spare money ;-) for now I prefer to shoot on the range more often.
    you see,. it not just the rail light,. also order another custom holster which is also around 100$... I will do it sometime in the future,. I guess.
    Yep, the more crap you add to a weapon, the more crap it seems you have to buy to accommodate it, hehe.
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