Attn LEO's need recommendations light & cuffs
This is a discussion on Attn LEO's need recommendations light & cuffs within the Related Gear & Equipment forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; My stepson just graduated the local police academy, passed the FL certification exam and has been hired by a local county Sheriff's Dept.
He starts ...
August 31st, 2007 05:57 PM
Attn LEO's need recommendations light & cuffs
My stepson just graduated the local police academy, passed the FL certification exam and has been hired by a local county Sheriff's Dept.
He starts in 10 days and is looking to buy the few extra items he was told he'd need to provide himself.
He is looking for recommendations for a flashlight to carry on his belt.
Also for what brands of cuffs to buy as spares to keep with him.
He'll be carrying a Glock 21.He'll be carrying a Glock 21 so I've suggested he get himself a subcompact Glock in the same caliber as a back up/off duty gun. ANY other recommendations would be appreciated ?
August 31st, 2007 09:07 PM
I'm not LEO but I have very many LEO friends so I've had to do birthday shopping for them before.
The BIG maglite with the belt holster.
A good duty belt.
S&W linked Cuffs they seem to like in black
Nice Cuff Holster
Those tide stain remover pens :)
Magellan shoe inserts
My one buddies GF just got him a laptop with one of those verizon wireless network cards so when he's sitting doing nothing he can browse the net (He ever so often now has to sit at construction sites with his lights on doing nothing)
August 31st, 2007 09:29 PM
I'm a LEO and I teach at the municipal police academy. I really like the Surefire lights. I carry an L2 by its clip in my left pocket of my uniform pants. It is an LED light which I think is, by a wide margin, the best light for LE work. There are other LED lights available from SF as well. There are prices for every budget. With regard to handcuffs. S&W or Peerless are my picks. Only steel is appropriate for uniformed use. I like the Peerless as they double lock by pushing a small pin in rather that sliding a lever laterally. Avoid the hinged cuffs like the plague. They are difficult to apply to less than cooperative persons and they cause more injury than the chained cuffs. Also avoid the ASP brand. Very little weight savings and easy to defeat. Hope this helps.
August 31st, 2007 11:20 PM
Surefire is probably one of the most popular "small" tactical flashlights of the highest quality.
For handcuffs... Either Peerless, American Handcuff or S&W. No others! Stay away from Hiatts and ASP.
I prefer a chained set and get the "oversized" cuffs. Lots of Big Boy's out there these days that a standard sized cuff doesn't fit their wrists.
"The gun is the great equalizer... For it is the gun, that allows the meek to repel the monsters; Whom are bigger, stronger and without conscience, prey on those who without one, would surely perish."
August 31st, 2007 11:30 PM
For the cuffs, the old-fashioned kind work best. S&W are the most common, with Peerless following close behind(but I've heard they're not quite as sturdy). I'm the wrong person to ask about cuffs, though, because I'm still using the American Handcuff Company ones I was issued back in 88. (I'm also using the same clipboard box, beat-up and dented as it is -- color me sentimental)
Flashlights, though, that's another matter. I've used the 3 and 6-cell Maglights. The only good thing about them is the ability to use them as impact weapons.
For light output, I like the rechargeable Streamlight UltraStinger. It's about as long as a 3-cell Maglight, but thinner, LOTS lighter, and at least three times as bright. Use the car charger to keep it ready to grab anytime in the car, and couple that with a smaller light to keep on the belt at all times. Speaking of....
For convenience, I've been impressed by the Streamlight Stinger XT, with the button in the tailcap. For the MOST convenience and utility, and a light output out of all proportion to its size, it's hard to beat the Surefire Z2. It takes 2 lithium 3-volt batteries, fits easily in a belt holder, and you can hold it in your off hand while still using that hand to brace your pistol, using the "syringe" or "Wilson/Rogers" technique.
Also....with the Surefire 6 or 9-volt lights, throw a Cree bulb into the mix, and that makes it even brighter.
September 1st, 2007 01:34 AM
I am a LEO For flashlight I use a surefire as my duty light and for cuffs go with S&W get a chain set. But it just depends on what he is most comfortable using I also carry a hinged set as my spare/ off duty set so if you have any questions let me know
September 1st, 2007 08:14 AM
A great flashlight for duty use would be a Streamlight rechargeable like the Stinger.
A backup personal flashlight should also be carried. I still use my original Surefire 6Z Combatlight.
As for cuffs I am partial to Peerless chained but I also carry hinged.
A one handed knife is also a good tool. Many LEO prefer the Emerson Wave feature. A multitool like the tactical black Leatherman Wave is one of my most used items.
If you really care make sure he has money to get that BUG or a quality ballistic vest. A Glock Sub is a good option but many of us swear by the S&W 442/642.
Training means learning the rules. Experience means learning the exceptions.
September 1st, 2007 08:31 AM
Good point Semperfi.45! A BUG is something that I don't go to work without. I carry an old S&W 649. I try to avoid the rechargable lights. Not because they are not good lights but because when the run down, they go really fast. One minute you are at peak output and within seconds, they wink out. With batts, you get a substantial period of time of dimming but usable light. Plus, before an op, I change the batts with new ones. I save the ones changed out as training batts.
September 1st, 2007 08:43 AM
+1 on the surefire. I have an e2 and an e1L the EiL is an LED and is VERY bright. But probably too small for the duty rig. I would suggest the G2 nitrolon Polymer body very rugged and comes in 4 colors. But I would spend as much as I could afford on a good flashlight. I have become a big fan of the LED recently. Also he should look on Ebay, you can usually buy one model up for about the same reatil price as the model below. Cuffs, I would also +1 on the S&W and the Peerless I like the peerless because of the design and location of the double lock a little better. I also suggest buying one of the cuff keys with the little LED lights on them. Very handy in the dark.
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September 1st, 2007 05:22 PM
I'm not a LEO, but I work in EMS, and one of my most important tools is a small flashlight capable of high outputs.
I own and use both Surefire and Streamlight lights. For belt carry, I'd recommend something along the lines of the Streamlight Strion rechargable light (esp. if he's going to be using his flashlight on a regular basis).
I carry an E2e from Surefire as a personal light on a regular basis. But prefer the rechargable lights for when I'm going to be using them over and over every day. The duty bag that I carry to work when I'm on the ambulance also has a Strion light in it.
Some PD's that I know issue, or have for loan the larger streamlight / maglite lights. They're nice, but again, the light left in the car won't be there when you need it.
Firefighter / EMT - Always Ready. Ever Willing.
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September 1st, 2007 05:29 PM
I'm not a LEO but work with them on occasion. I really like the surefire e2e for me. very dependable and blinding bright for the one up on a perp when you need it. RM
September 1st, 2007 07:30 PM
THANKS to all ! This was just the info I was looking for.
September 1st, 2007 08:13 PM
After 20 years on "the job" a few things have stayed the same. My flashlight of choice is Surefire and my cuffs are Pearless. I've had a Surefire 6P on my person during duty hours since 1987 (the same one) and have several others around as needed. My cuffs of choice are Pearless and I carry a set of both hinged and chain on my belt, and chain when working in civilian clothing.
"Respect all ... Fear none!!!
September 2nd, 2007 12:32 AM
Everyone's made great suggestions. Personally, I'd recommend 2 flashlights. A large, either Maglight or Streamlight (I use maglight, because our cars have chargers for them in the car). The other light is a belt light. Mine usd to be a Surefire 6P, but I think any of the rechargable small Streamlights or Surefire would work fine.
As to cuff, I used Peerless. I carried 2 in a double mag case on my belt (In fact I used to carry them up front). I also had a hinged set, but that was in my "war bag" just in case. I never used the S&W ones, & they don't seem to popular here (That doesn't mean their no good, though).
I'm now an administrator, so I'm not "up" on the current favorites. But I do know that a flashlight is your friend, & it needs to be a good one. I'd definitely go with name brands only for the light & especially the cuffs.
Well good luck to your son.
"Use human means as though divine ones didn't exist, and divine means as though there were no human ones." Baltasar Gracian
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Glock 19 & 26, Kahr CM9 & P45, Para P12, Kel-Tec P-32, S&W 442, & Dan Wesson 14-2.
September 6th, 2007 07:51 AM
Well, like others have said, I'm not an LEO but,......I'm a flashlight nut.
Surefire is probably the most popular personal flashlight for LEOs. Also, have a look at the new Pelican 7060 light kit. It was designed specifically for the LAPD. Very high quality light with really neat features....plus its rechargeable. For a personal light you can look at either the Surefire G2L (LED version of the G2) or the 6PL (LED version of the 6P)
That is of course what I would recommend on feedback I've got from what other LEO's use. Then again, the LEO's I talked to don't quite think 'outside the box'. If I had my personal choice I would carry my Borealis with my HDS EDC U60 as backup. Also, I would really look hard at the Wolf Eyes line of flashlights. Very high quality with the ability to take some decent Lithium Ion rechargeable batteries.
If looking at the Wolf Eyes line I would probably go with these two lights.
1: (main light) M300 Lion 300 lumens for 100 minutes and rechargeable.
2: (back up) 6A Sniper Tactical flashlight 170 lumes from an LED.
Now, if you wanted to wait awhile and were willing to shell out a few bucks there is the preorder for the Thunder A.
Man I love flashlights. :D
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