'quick-don' body armor with PAL or MOLLE?

'quick-don' body armor with PAL or MOLLE?

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    'quick-don' body armor with PAL or MOLLE?

    The thread asking where you keep your firearm at night reminded me of something I've been chewing on a while.

    It seems to me the problem with the bump-in-the-night issue is that you are likely to be undressed, pick up your firearm, maybe a flashlight and react.

    What if you need extra ammunition? What if you forget your light? Are you going to be able to grab the cell phone too?

    What if you want to pick up your shotgun but don't want to lose your sidearm?

    You just don't have enough hands and you probably don't have any pockets.

    It occurred to me that if you had a tactical vest with a holster for your side arm attached, spare mags, light, maybe spare light, etc., you could pull it out from under the bed, throw it on and be in a much better situation. And it prevents you from forgetting something because it is attached to the vest.

    So if you have the vest there, it might as well be body armor since that gives you an advantage as well.

    So.... The question I have is who makes a body armor model that is 1) quick to put on (front opening?) and 2) has PALs or MOLLE attachment points? I've looked at a number of web sites, but it is hard to tell from just the site descriptions/pictures.

    Thoughts?

    Thanks,

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    Sounds good, heavy, and expensive; but, I'm interested also.
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    I have, ahem, 5 different sets of body armor... I just seem to acquire them here and there, ya know?

    So, under my bed is a level 3A with lvl 4 ceramic plates (an older Diamondback Tactical model). It has MOLLE attachment points, and has attached to it two M4 ammo pouches (each holding two 32rd mags for the Colt SMG), a triple pistol mag pouch with three mags for the P228, a Surefire pouch with a G@2 6v Surefire, and a GP pouch with batteries for the Surefire and EOTech, a CRKT M16-14T, a whistle, and a bunch of chem-lights. The P228 is on the nightstand, next to another Surefire and the cell phone (and my emergency radio, but most folks don't have Marines on the other end of their Motorola...lol). I have a pair of desert boots sitting next to the bed, just in front of the vest.

    Soooo.... Bumpee in the night gets to see me wearing boxers (if they're lucky), a crazy vest, and deset boots when I go peeking around looking for them. Hopefully, it's not a particularly hot night, or I might have forgone the boxers...
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    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post
    I have, ahem, 5 different sets of body armor... I just seem to acquire them here and there, ya know?

    So, under my bed is a level 3A with lvl 4 ceramic plates (an older Diamondback Tactical model). It has MOLLE attachment points, and has attached to it two M4 ammo pouches (each holding two 32rd mags for the Colt SMG), a triple pistol mag pouch with three mags for the P228, a Surefire pouch with a G@2 6v Surefire, and a GP pouch with batteries for the Surefire and EOTech, a CRKT M16-14T, a whistle, and a bunch of chem-lights. The P228 is on the nightstand, next to another Surefire and the cell phone (and my emergency radio, but most folks don't have Marines on the other end of their Motorola...lol). I have a pair of desert boots sitting next to the bed, just in front of the vest.

    Soooo.... Bumpee in the night gets to see me wearing boxers (if they're lucky), a crazy vest, and deset boots when I go peeking around looking for them. Hopefully, it's not a particularly hot night, or I might have forgone the boxers...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bzdog View Post
    The thread asking where you keep your firearm at night reminded me of something I've been chewing on a while.

    It seems to me the problem with the bump-in-the-night issue is that you are likely to be undressed, pick up your firearm, maybe a flashlight and react.

    What if you need extra ammunition? What if you forget your light? Are you going to be able to grab the cell phone too?

    What if you want to pick up your shotgun but don't want to lose your sidearm?

    You just don't have enough hands and you probably don't have any pockets.

    It occurred to me that if you had a tactical vest with a holster for your side arm attached, spare mags, light, maybe spare light, etc., you could pull it out from under the bed, throw it on and be in a much better situation. And it prevents you from forgetting something because it is attached to the vest.

    So if you have the vest there, it might as well be body armor since that gives you an advantage as well.

    So.... The question I have is who makes a body armor model that is 1) quick to put on (front opening?) and 2) has PALs or MOLLE attachment points? I've looked at a number of web sites, but it is hard to tell from just the site descriptions/pictures.

    Thoughts?

    Thanks,

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    Well, I've spent a LOT of time in body armor (and a lot more gear), so it's not really an issue for me. If you just wear a "soft" vest, it won't affect you much. If you wear plates, train with them on - they will change how you shoot a long gun somewhat.

    I do agree that "barricade" is probably the smart move if you're fairly certain that someone is in your house, but most of the time you're just not sure... I'm just dumb enough to go check it out. Hopefully, the anti-climb fence, the German shepherd, or the alarm has detered the BG - but if not, well, I can hope the sight of me will cause howls of derisive laughter, and I can get the jump on him...
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    I would hate to see the news report on this one...
    "CHL with body armor, tactical assault rifle, military grade flashlight, and especially lethal hollow point rounds shoots and kills victim who was breaking and entering."
    They would try to make you into a David Koresh or something.
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    Except it would read "Federal Agent shoots home invader with issued gear..."
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    I think the vest etc., is just a bit of an overkill for the homeowner type of situation. I like a small pack, almost like a "man purse" if you will for these types of situations. Just something large enough to toss a couple of spare mags, light, basic first aid etc into.
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    I admit, it's probably a bit much... But, I have it all laying around, so why not put it to use? As an aside, I may be selling some of my vests/plates/goodies as I pair down for another trip to the sandbox (where I'm sure to be issued yet another bunch of kit!)
    A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.

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    I don't think its too much...I say whatever advantage you can take to keep you safe and the BG's neutralized is great. That's why we carry and train in the first place...I was just picturing how our 'Free Press' would spin it.
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    I used to use a fanny pack with a couple of spare magazines, an old cellphone, a handheld light and a chemlight attached to a spare housekey & a luggage tag with my address. I replaced the zipper pulls with 550 cord to keep it from jingling. I could buckle it or just throw it over a shoulder if I was in a hurry.

    Not as highspeed as a vest and it offered no ballistic protection, but significantly less expensive and equally effective at keeping the essentials close at hand.

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    For years I have kept a set of Alice gear with spare magazines, knife, flashlight, Glock 23 and a S&W 3000 riot shotgun with a Choate folding stock and a bandeleer of 12 gauge in the closet buy my bed.

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    I could see where a vest could come in handy. Especially if you want to switch from your handgun to a long gun. I'm not sure if I would ever use such a thing though. My train of thought is that I will most likely grab my shotgun if there is a bump in the night. Not to mention in VA there isn't a castle doctrin so my priority is to get to my sons room and get my wife and my son out of the apartment.

    I could see it getting blown up in the media though if you ever were involved in a situation. We all know how they like to twist things.
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    Like OPFOR has alluded to, I know the BG(s) do not want to see me right of bed and into a tactical vest. But it is an interesting idea.
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