Laser Sights

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    Laser Sights

    Hi all,

    I wasn't sure where to post this, but thought it might be OK here.

    I am considering putting a laser sight on my primary off duty gun. The main reason is to help ensure that my bullets go where I want them to in a defensive encounter.

    I have heard of subjects stopping their aggressive actions once they noticed the "little red dot" placed on their chest. This gives an added benefit of stopping a situation without having to fire the weapon, which is a huge plus in my book.

    Given that we can't predict all future encounters, and only try to be as well prepared as possible, I was wondering if anyone has any expirience with them and if they recommend them or not. I already have Night Sights and carry a Surefire Flashlight and cell phone whenever I carry my gun, which is pretty much all the time.

    What I am trying to do is supplement, not replace, seeing my front sight and maintaining good trigger control. Since most encounters seem to happen in low or dim light I was thinking that in addition to what I already have and carry, that this might be beneficial.

    The downside is, they are expensive. The upside is, they may help me get bullets on target once I have identified my target just a little quicker. Thank you for your time and consideration in this matter. I eagarly await your replies.

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    There are a lot of variables at play here including your vision, but I think in the right circumstances they might be right for you as an additional aid. Nonetheless, I would totally discount this statement, until it happens to you personally:

    I have heard of subjects stopping their aggressive actions once they noticed the "little red dot" placed on their chest. This gives an added benefit of stopping a situation without having to fire the weapon, which is a huge plus in my book.
    Pluses include some you mentioned, plus if you have poor to medium vision or wear bifocals or have cataracts, or like the additional sight target.

    My wife has a CT on her G26 and loves it, but there are some minuses...

    That little red laser light dancing on the target is caused by you, breathing, poor trigger control, etc. and some find it disconcerting and distracting....

    The laser may not be effective in high ambient lighting such as outdoors on a bright day.

    I would suggest you try to find a range or shooting buddy that will let you try out a laser before you buy. Only you can make that decision.

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    Everybody knows my feelings on lasers. They are worthless to the serious shooter. The laser does nothing for you but provide a crutch for poor technique and provide a false sense of security. I equate it to the non sense of thinking pumping you shotgun is going to part the earth and send all evil shuddering off into the abyss.
    However, many people buy into the marketing and think that they make a great tool for defensive shooting. I say go watch the professionals in combat shooting and count how many laser equipped guns you find. Next to none. Then, compare shooting with someone who is a accomplished combat shooter to someone with the same skill level... the laser slows the shooter down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    Everybody knows my feelings on lasers. They are worthless to the serious shooter. The laser does nothing for you but provide a crutch for poor technique and provide a false sense of security. I equate it to the non sense of thinking pumping you shotgun is going to part the earth and send all evil shuddering off into the abyss.
    However, many people buy into the marketing and think that they make a great tool for defensive shooting. I say go watch the professionals in combat shooting and count how many laser equipped guns you find. Next to none. Then, compare shooting with someone who is a accomplished combat shooter to someone with the same skill level... the laser slows the shooter down.
    ................................Why do so many LEO use them ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by charmincarmens View Post
    ................................Why do so many LEO use them ?
    They dont. Sure there are a few, but just because your an LEO doesnt make you a professional level shooter. Crimson Trace would lead you to believe that every cop uses one, but the fact is, very few do. Plus everybody knows, cops love their toys. Everybody knows I do... but I won't be caught dead with a laser on my gun.
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    To add more fuel to the fire:

    I have been in three armed encounters, one on duty as a LEO, the other two as a non-Leo. Two times I saw my sights, one time I didn't. The time I didn't, I was busy deflecting a blade.

    I already know that I am "hardwired" to find my Front Sight. Years of shooting has done that. However, in a dim or lowlight situation where I can't get the gun up in to my "normal" shooting position seems to me to be a time when the laser may be beneficial.

    I was against Night Sights for the longest time. I finally switched, and you know what, I wouldn't own an Autoloader without them now if that gun is for defensive purposes. I'm thinking this may be a natural progression of mine, from Night Sights to Lasers, I don't know.

    I can see certain situation where having a little red dot may be an advantage, but they replace nothing as far as fundamentals of good marksmanship. I would have like them the night three stray Pitbulls charged me and my dog. My little J-Frame .357 Magnum left me wanting. That situation is one of a few reasons why I carry more than one gun.

    Thanks for the replies so far, and I hope this thread continues to get responses. :)

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    I have CT grips on all 4 of the guns in the house. If I have a midnight visitor, with my vision as I age and find my arms getting shorter, I feel more comfortable than I would if I had to hunt for my glasses to see the iron sights in a limited time frame.
    Daytime and range shooting I don't need them, but I do occasionally use them just to make sure they are adjusted correctly and the battery has enough power to do the job if I need them.
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    A Laser sight does have one advantage. While I pretty much agree with Sixto's assessment, it does have one area of superiority that could make it worthwhile.

    That is shooting from cover or concealment without exposing any part of the body.Any time you are trading shots back and forth, any advantage is better than none. If you can manipulate the gun to get on target while minimizing exposure, it could be the difference between winning and losing.

    I see it is just another tool in the box.
    You wouldn't use a single tool to do everything there is to do,but there are times when that tool is the ONLY tool that can do the job and its handy to have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    A Laser sight does have one advantage. While I pretty much agree with Sixto's assessment, it does have one area of superiority that could make it worthwhile.

    That is shooting from cover or concealment without exposing any part of the body.Any time you are trading shots back and forth, any advantage is better than none. If you can manipulate the gun to get on target while minimizing exposure, it could be the difference between winning and losing.

    I see it is just another tool in the box.
    You wouldn't use a single tool to do everything there is to do,but there are times when that tool is the ONLY tool that can do the job and its handy to have.
    +1, my sentiments exactly. In my mind, I know that if I'm not able to find the front sight fast enough I've still got a reliable sign of where I'm going to throw lead.

    And yes they're expensive, but shop around (try ebay!) and you might be able to find some other offers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glockstock View Post
    And yes they're expensive, but shop around (try ebay!) and you might be able to find some other offers.
    The best deal in Crimson Trace lasers that I've found is Crimson Trace Lasergrips at Shooters Resource. When comparing prices, keep in mind that Shooters-Resource posted prices already include shipping costs.

    I have purchased two from them and recommend them without qualification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    That is shooting from cover or concealment without exposing any part of the body.Any time you are trading shots back and forth, any advantage is better than none. If you can manipulate the gun to get on target while minimizing exposure, it could be the difference between winning and losing.
    Although put out by Crimson Trace, I think the videos are remarkably absent of crass commercialism.

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    This is probably the best coverage of laser use on handguns that I have ever seen. Both text and videos are great (also listen to the audio at the bottom of the page)! Check it out!

    ProArms Blog Archive 018 Crimson Trace Laser Grips and Laser Sights Review

    Note that this is mainly about Crimson Trace but most of it applies to other brands as well.

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    P.S. I have used a laser on my self-defense handgun for over two years -- it's great!
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    I just purchase a laser/flashlight for my XD. Still waiting for it in the mail. I won't leave it on the pistol for CC. Just at night for home protection. I only paid with shipping $100 bucks. Some people say get what you pay for and this laser is cheap compared to more well know name brands. However this one comes with a lifetime warranty and looks EXACTLY the same with the same Lumen output and the same laser outputs as the Insight Tech M6 with is $250. It's a rail type and the laser is adjustable. Comes with a remote pressure switch. The brand is called Command Arms. Heres a link http://www.commandarms.com/product.a...&cID=19&c=7387
    I will get it this monday in the mail and post a review on it.

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    Until recently I have avoided lasers because I too thought of them as a crutch, but as my eyesight has continued to decline with age I have changed my mind. I now look at them as improved sights. Like the difference between a good set of Novaks and the standard sights on a 1911. I have just got my first firearm with Crimson Trace grips and I was impressed with my accuracy using the laser. I don't expect to use it all the time at the range nor all the time if I am in a defensive situation, but in a low light defensive situation for me it could be the difference between living and dying. You guys with the young eyes I envy you because you don't need any better sights than normally come on a gun, but I do. The other advantage I see is the one already mentioned of shooting from cover.

    For more of my reasoning and a review see my thread about my new CZ 75BD with CT laser grips. http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...ort-added.html
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    I can envision some self-defense circumstances and scenarios where having an accessory laser on the firearm could possibly prove useful.
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