difference between reloading rifle and pistol rounds?

difference between reloading rifle and pistol rounds?

This is a discussion on difference between reloading rifle and pistol rounds? within the Reloading forums, part of the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics category; I've decided to start reloading .45's, and I have a few questions. I'm familiar with reloading .22-250, and 30.06 Ackley's, but those are 2-die sets. ...

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    difference between reloading rifle and pistol rounds?

    I've decided to start reloading .45's, and I have a few questions. I'm familiar with reloading .22-250, and 30.06 Ackley's, but those are 2-die sets. What is the 3rd die used for when reloading pistol ammo? Of course I will do my own research before attempting it but can someone give me a really basic run-down of how to reload pistol ammo?
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    first die is the decappin and sizer second is belling die and 3rd is Seating and crimp

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    In fact a fourth can be added too sometimes - an extra that will serve rifle and pistol - the factory crimp die.

    The third stage seating with pistol ammo can be less than ideal for crimp and so it can be beneficial to back off crimping at seating stage and then go thru the factory crimp die to get the ideal crimp.

    With rifle - the decapper when withdrawn after resizing and decapping will leave case mouth ready for bullet - so no flair stage needed - just charge case and seat bullet in die #2.

    Furthermore, the flair stage with pistol rounds is when often a powder hopper can be used to drop the charge weight. Much more amenable to fast thruput whereas rifle often tends to be a slower ''one at a time'' deal.
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    By the way if you pick up once fired Winclean .45acp brass, it uses a different primer than regular 45 brass, apparently the primer hole is different also, you might want to talk to someon that has reloaded it before to get there reciepe. I have put mine aside for now and just using regular brass.

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    Ok, thanks. So how do you know when you have enough flare and crimp? I don't think I've ever seen a factory crimp die, are they common?

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    lee makes the factory crimp die

    the flare is when you can just start the bullet in the case with out it falling off

    crimp is up to you

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    To expand on Bud's post - as he says, flair is enough if bullet will start OK - but sometimes if loading lead bullets you have to flair a bit more to avoid shaving lead.

    It's a compromize too - each time you flair you work harden the brass and so speed up the time to failure (splitting). You have to experiment and set up to suit the set of components you are working on.

    Crimp - another thing to try and get right - ''enough but not too much'' - which means squat really! Thing is - roll crimp for instance on hot loads (357/44 etc) may be needed to be fierce to hold bullet when under recoil inertial forces. However - this is like the reverse of flair - it work hardens the brass, so - try to keep to minum that does the job.

    Taper crimp on headspacing rounds like 9mm and .45 etc - needs to be firm and sometimes neck tension after resizing does most of the hold - but again - not to be overdone.

    I think Lyman or RCBS do a factory crimp die too but the Lee is maybe best known. Go to http://www.leeprecision.com/ where you can read a bit about it. I use mine most for hot loads and rifle - the plinking std loads just get crimp at seating stage.
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    Do lee die sets fit in RCBS presses?

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    Post Lee/rcbs

    Quote Originally Posted by tj1231 View Post
    Do lee die sets fit in RCBS presses?
    YES.They are the same Thread size.

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    Yes - they are the universal size thread pitch and diameter.
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    Just get your OAL N case length right, personally I like to use Unique for the .45.
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    Thanks! I just got back from cabela's with a 4 die set, book, and bullets!

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