Is there a Hornady Manual in the house ??

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    Is there a Hornady Manual in the house ??

    I am looking to reload a few hundred Hornady XTP's in 9mm and .40S&W.
    Using AA#5 powder..

    9mm 124gr Hornady XTP.. 6grains=about 1000fps
    .400 155gr Hornady XTP.. 8grains=about 1000fps

    My other books show the above loads for Speer GDHP and other bullets with the same weight and design..

    Would save me from buying another manual..

    Thanks
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    Hornady Handbook -- Seventh Edition

    AA#5 powder not listed for 9mm.

    OTOH, 6.9 gr of AA#7 is listed for 1000fps. Any other powder you could use?


    Also, 155gr Hornady XTP not listed. 147 heaviest listed.
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    Thanks DaveH,

    I can use Unique or Bullseye, but I wanted to give the AA5 a try.. I like it in .45ACP, other 9mm and .40loads and thought it might work great in the 9 and 40with the XTP's...

    I'll do a little more research and maybe give Hornady a call...

    Thanks for the look see..

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    9mm 124gr Hornady XTP

    Unique 4.5 gr. = 1000 fps; 4.7 gr = 1050 fps

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    The manufacturer of the bullet is virtually irrelevant. The only things relevant to the bullet are composition (jacketed, lead or plated) and weight. Use data for any jacketed bullet of the correct weight and start at the beginning load (as you always should) and you'll be fine. Slight variations in length of ogive or bearing surface will have little effect at pistol velocities.

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    I'm going to go ahead and use the data from my Speer manual.

    It lists loads in both calibers for Gold Dot HP's in the weights the XTP's are. It lists loads for AA#5.

    I'll check the bullet lengths of the GDHP vs XTP and set the OAL's accordingly.

    As always I will start low and build up if needed.

    Thanks

    Now to dig out the chrono and wait for some decent outdoor weather...Maybe April... LOL

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    [QUOTE=boscobeans;1434668]I am looking to reload a few hundred Hornady XTP's in 9mm and .40S&W.
    Using AA#5 powder..

    .400 155gr Hornady XTP.. 8grains=about 1000fps

    Check Accurate's website, they did have (if my old mind is remembering) a warning not to use AA #5 in any 40 caliber.
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    [QUOTE=Stevew;1435239]
    Quote Originally Posted by boscobeans View Post
    I am looking to reload a few hundred Hornady XTP's in 9mm and .40S&W.
    Using AA#5 powder..

    .400 155gr Hornady XTP.. 8grains=about 1000fps

    Check Accurate's website, they did have (if my old mind is remembering) a warning not to use AA #5 in any 40 caliber.
    That's not totally accurate (no pun intended!). It refers to using AA5 in barrels that do not fully support the case head.


    "WARNING!!!

    In recent years it has become very apparent that there exists a situation regarding some pistols chambered for the 40 S&W cartridge. Some of the pistols currently available to shooters may not provide complete support to the case when a cartridge is chambered.

    The Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers Institute (SAAMI) has established a maximum average pressure for the 40 S&W of 35,000 psi. The loading data published by Accurate Arms was developed in our ballistic laboratory in accordance with SAAMI test methods and equipment and does not exceed this figure. This information is safe for use in firearms which provide complete support of the case. Failure to fully support the case with cartridges of such intensity may result in bulged cases, ruptured cases, separated case heads or other consequences which may result in damage to the firearm and/or injury or death to the shooter and/or bystanders. This can happen no matter whose propellant is used.

    If you own a firearm chambered for the 40 S&W, we recommend you contact the manufacturer to determine if the case is fully supported, or have a competent gunsmith examine the firearm and determine the amount of support provided the case. If your firearm does not provide complete support for the case, DO NOT USE Accurate Arms Company data or products to reload your 40 S&W ammunition.

    This is the first time Accurate Arms Company has felt it necessary to place such a restriction on the use of our products, but the continued safety and welfare of the shooting public compels us to do so.
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    I will be shooting them with a Walther. From what I see the cartridge is well supported in the chamber. In a Glock there is a lot of brass showing when a round is chambered. Not so with the Walther.

    BTW The only Glock in .40 I have seen to use for comparison is one issued to an LEO buddy of mine. It is not a newer model, which I have heard now have more chamber support than the one he was issued.

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    Here is some of my data for the 9mm using AA#5. I also have data for the 40 S&W and 45 ACP with AA#5. For the 40 I got data with the 180gr and 155gr bullett, cast lead and FMJ. I got some 9mm FMJ data and 45 ACP 230 gr cast lead and FMJ load data.

    Chronograph Data - Glock 19 and Kel Tec P-11

    Some data from last week chronograph run. I re-ran some of my reloads and factory ammo through two guns; a Glock 19 with a KKM barrel and a Kel Tec P-11. The reloads were done on a 1986 Dillon 550. The FMJ ammo was several years old; I think about 10 years old. The OAL on the cast lead loads was 1.12. I used CCI small pistol primers on this batch. The cast lead bullets were the Tennessee Valley brand. Powder is AA#5. The brass was mix brands; no military brass was used in the reloads.

    Glock 19

    Federal 124 gr FMJ 1,020fps
    (AE9AP)

    124 gr RN cast lead
    6.2 AA#5 1,033fps

    124 gr RN cast lead
    6.0 AA#5 966fps


    P-11

    Federal 124 gr FMJ 986fps
    (AE9AP)

    124 gr RN cast lead
    6.2 AA#5 978 fps

    124 gr RN cast lead
    6.0 AA#5 967fps
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    Quote Originally Posted by boscobeans View Post
    I will be shooting them with a Walther. From what I see the cartridge is well supported in the chamber. In a Glock there is a lot of brass showing when a round is chambered. Not so with the Walther.

    BTW The only Glock in .40 I have seen to use for comparison is one issued to an LEO buddy of mine. It is not a newer model, which I have heard now have more chamber support than the one he was issued.

    bosco
    The early Glocks are the ones the majority of the problems have been in. I don't know if later versions changed the chamber configuration.
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