Lautenberg Amendment Question

Lautenberg Amendment Question

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    I was just wondering how many of you know anyone that has been adverserly effected by the lautenberg amendment? For example; say someone was younger, had a bad night and keyed an ex girlfriends car... say about 30 years age (I made this up). In some states this is considered a domestic violence misdamenor and even if they did it 30 years ago they would still get nailed under the amendment.
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    dont know anyone directly. But being from NJ, I wish he would retire already! He is one person I wish medical/disease problems on! Ok. Not really. Maybe?I dont know? But I do wish he would F"N retire already! He sucks along with most politicians in this state! I hope Mcdonald VS. Chicago goes our way and sticks it where the sun dont shine, to these liberal political ********!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carry4MyFam View Post
    I was just wondering how many of you know anyone that has been adverserly effected by the lautenberg amendment? For example; say someone was younger, had a bad night and keyed an ex girlfriends car... say about 30 years age (I made this up). In some states this is considered a domestic violence misdamenor and even if they did it 30 years ago they would still get nailed under the amendment.
    Yep. A (late) friend of mine in Ridgefield, CT had two sons who mixed it up pretty bad at home one time when they were in their late teens. Mom called the cops, both were arrested and charged with assault and some form of domestic violence. They both pled guilty, paid a small fine, and that was that. Fast forward about 5-8 years, older son now has his own alarm business, a CT pistol permit and several guns primarily for recreational use. Cops came to his house with a warrant to seize the guns, specifically as a result of the "Lousenberg" legislation and his prior conviction for "domestic violence." No recourse short of paying lots of money to a criminal defense attorney and attempting to reverse the conviction... he was quoted a minimum of $50K, more likely close to double that.

    I doubt he pursued any legal action. This happened shortly before I moved west about 8 years ago, and since then my friend (the dad) has passed away. I don't know if there was any followup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carry4MyFam View Post
    I was just wondering how many of you know anyone that has been adverserly effected by the lautenberg amendment? For example; say someone was younger, had a bad night and keyed an ex girlfriends car... say about 30 years age (I made this up). In some states this is considered a domestic violence misdamenor and even if they did it 30 years ago they would still get nailed under the amendment.
    When I was in elementary school -- and that was a long long long time ago--- the teachers used to try to keep us in line with the threat: "That will go on your permanent record."

    Well they were right in a way. What you do when you are a dumb youngster goes on your permanent record and follows you for the rest of your life.

    In my "other life" I moderate a bulletin board to help folks with a particular set of troubles. Anyway, yesterday I heard from an 18 yo
    who complained that his 45 year old dad couldn't get work because of a very old felony conviction for which he served time.

    Your record follows you.

    Sometimes the results don't seem fair, but everyone was warned by their teacher--- "that will go on your permanent record."

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    Unfortunately this basically means there is NO redemption in this country. Once you are "in the system", you might as well endeavor to become the absolute best criminal you can because the alternative (if you are lucky) is minimum wage menial labor.

    Our legal system is relatively toothless (particularly in "liberal" states), our overcrowded prisons are mandated to release early and the thin blue line is a skeleton getting thinner by the day.

    And if you do get caught, well you get an all expense paid advanced degree at the university of crime. The very best in the business have life tenures and not much more to do then pass the knowledge on. The pressure and density will be high so you will learn quickly and rub shoulders with as many future associates as possible.

    In fact I could not think of a better system that would churn out more organized high quality criminals while appearing to be "tough on crime".

    And having lots of crime (and no means to defend themselves) is an almost ideal vehicle for a fat bloated government to get their citizens to surrender more of their rights and money to the government so that they can be "more tough on crime"
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    These are all good points on the fact that your record will hold tight for years to come; but, I do think that people that are true domestic criminals need to be restricted. However, people that have a bad night, she pushes him, he pushes her.... someone goes to jail. An eighteen year old boy keys an ex girlfriends car.....jail...so on and so forth. Some people/couples have a harsh night....they do not beat each other and are not in a domestic violence type of situation....but hey....now they can't own a firearm because of a misdamenor.
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    The Lautenberg Act is an extremely poorly written law that was purely anti gun in nature. It used domestic violence to basically eliminate an entire class of people from gun ownership because of something of a minor nature that may have happened generations ago.

    We aren't talking felonies here, we are talking Misdemeanors. Something like getting in a fist fight in a bar and getting a fine or possibly serving a night in jail.

    Its a travesty of justice and was written by an extremely antigun Senator that thought no one should own a gun but him.

    Typical Socialist Crap,which seems to be the norm these days.
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    Everything Lautenberg does is evil, in my opinion. He represents an uncivilized state where power and not the rule of law applies, with a long history of political corruption. I try to avoid driving through NJ, and I avoid doing business with anyone who's located there.

    In other words, I think it's the same as every other state or country in which Roman culture predominates, and in which a population capable of self-defense represents a threat to the Empire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    The Lautenberg Act is an extremely poorly written law that was purely anti gun in nature. It used domestic violence to basically eliminate an entire class of people from gun ownership because of something of a minor nature that may have happened generations ago.

    We aren't talking felonies here, we are talking Misdemeanors. Something like getting in a fist fight in a bar and getting a fine or possibly serving a night in jail.

    Its a travesty of justice and was written by an extremely antigun Senator that thought no one should own a gun but him.
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    I know a guy (in his 60s) that it caught big time -- or rather lack of knowledge of the law, or something of the sort bit him.

    Didn't realize what "expunged" actually means, forgot details, or something of the sort and got major crosswise on filling out (perjury on) a application to buy.

    He got luck (if you can call it that what with all the cost & publicity). Judge "let him off" with cost & probation.

    Never quizzed him on the details. None of my bee's wax. But he is a solid citizen now and an upright guy. I don't think he would have intentionally lied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by user View Post
    Everything Lautenberg does is evil, in my opinion. He represents an uncivilized state where power and not the rule of law applies, with a long history of political corruption. I try to avoid driving through NJ, and I avoid doing business with anyone who's located there.

    In other words, I think it's the same as every other state or country in which Roman culture predominates, and in which a population capable of self-defense represents a threat to the Empire.
    Just because the politics suk here, doesnt mean we all suck! There are a lot of good business' here! As CC'r I dont blame anyone for avoiding this state though.
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    Another issue with this worthless amendment is ORDER OF PROTECTIONS. Back in 1998 was going through ugly divorce with my X wife, she filed an OOP with all bogus info, I had to turn in my firearms to the nearest police station within 24 hours. No way around it. You are given a hearing within 10 days if you want it and a judge will decide whether you are a danger or not. You are basically guilty without any trial. Seemed completely un-constitutional to me at the time, and still does. Thankfully those days are way behind me.

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    ATF got me today under the Lautenberg act

    Quote Originally Posted by Carry4MyFam View Post
    I was just wondering how many of you know anyone that has been adverserly effected by the lautenberg amendment? For example; say someone was younger, had a bad night and keyed an ex girlfriends car... say about 30 years age (I made this up). In some states this is considered a domestic violence misdamenor and even if they did it 30 years ago they would still get nailed under the amendment.
    I just got nailed today by the ATF for having a misdemeanor domestic violence charge 30 years ago and now I have to give my gun away or sell it-- my problem is that i have been purchasing firearms for years and I am an avid range shooter and this is the first time this has happended to me----does anyone know away around this law or I am I just screwed

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    Welcome to the forum!

    That being said, and adding that I am not an attorney, that is exactly what you need. Any advice given on a forum like this, is worth exactly what you pay for it!

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    Just did some reading and it looks like it comes down to if "physical force" was used or not. If it was not, you can not be barred.

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