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Hidden Gun Restrictions in HC Bill?

This is a discussion on Hidden Gun Restrictions in HC Bill? within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by Tom357 As I've said, before, I'm sure they will, under the right circumstances. They already do. The point is, from the origin ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom357 View Post
    As I've said, before, I'm sure they will, under the right circumstances. They already do. The point is, from the origin of this thread, that there are specific safeguards specified in this health care reform act to protect gun possession and ownership information from being part of those medical records. Unless those parts of the law are amended in the reconcilliation process, then gun ownership information is not to be information that can be collected or stored as part of the Public Health Service Act. We can thank the Republicans for the amendment that added those protections to the original act, and hope they don't get rescinded during reconcilliation.
    Since reconciliation can only amend things that are directly related to the budget I think we are all pretty safe. If the dems even tried it the repubs would object to the parliamentarian who would then sustain the object. At that point the reconciliation act would have to be sent back to the house to be passed again because a change had been made.

    Baring all that in mind, I'd say our gun right will remain so protected.


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    What guns?!?
    Lost all mine in a boating accident.


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    here is some additional links to the health care bill, knockyourselvesout

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    What if gun owners played by Alcee Hastings' rules?

    this one is an interesting read:

    http://volokh.com/2009/11/24/health-...gun-ownership/

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    Quote Originally Posted by RemMod597 View Post
    What guns?!?
    Lost all mine in a boating accident.
    Better be in more than 200 feet of water. My boat insurer will recover the boat if it's in less than 200 feet..........201 feet they will let it go
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jmac00 View Post
    ...this one is an interesting read:

    http://volokh.com/2009/11/24/health-...gun-ownership/...
    The article is from 2009. The identified potential issue has been proactively addressed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldshellback View Post
    Does anyone really know exactly what's in this HC bill? The only stuff I can find out on it as a whole is it's thicker than a NYC phone book and I know most of our representives havn't read it.

    I think the population is just being fed tid-bits here and there on this thing. Know if there's a 'loop-hole' the anti's can wiggle thier agenda into they've inserted there.
    They could of put THE LORDS PRAYER right in the middle of all that crap and no one would ever know......2400+ pages? Who read this? No one.....here it is....not sure if it's the latest pile of dog poo, but it'll give you an idea of what's going on in Congress....http://democrats.senate.gov/reform/p...-as-passed.pdf... take a look at it.....you need a room full of lawyers just to get through the table of contents.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by hudsonvalley View Post
    They could of put THE LORDS PRAYER right in the middle of all that crap and no one would ever know......2400+ pages? Who read this? No one.....here it is....not sure if it's the latest pile of dog poo, but it'll give you an idea of what's going on in Congress....http://democrats.senate.gov/reform/p...-as-passed.pdf... take a look at it.....you need a room full of lawyers just to get through the table of contents.....
    Sweet Jesus.... 2400 pages!??!?!?

    Thanks for posting that but it would take me a month to read it!

    These bills are like the eula you get with software...

    Blah blah blah blah"Ah nobody reads this stuff anyway".... agree... install... "hey my computer is running slow, I never installed spyware'R'us? "
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    ya, well if this bill is such a great idea, why did the pass the bill on Tuesday and rewrite/amend it on Thursday???

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    Lets get this thing passed, then we'll see whats in it
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    Lets get this thing passed, then we'll see whats in it
    This was also said by Obama. One of the most foolish things I've ever heard.
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    Uh folks, the ones who complain about a law with 2400 pages, think a little.

    We are a country of more than 300 million people. The law must deal with a wide array of situations and circumstances. It must deal with issues about insurance, health care delivery, quality, distribution, access, hospital payment, doctor fees, and on and on. It must deal with the interaction of the various credits and the tax code, of the various pay-outs to states and how these will happen.

    Let's not be naive. Our country is a complex place. Our laws already on the books are complex and interact with each other. You can't fix things or even do minor tweaks with short one page laws or edicts.

    Complex problems in a complex society don't get fixed with one page solutions.

    Or put a different but more famous way, "for every complex problem there is a simple solution, which is usually wrong."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    Uh folks, the ones who complain about a law with 2400 pages, think a little.

    We are a country of more than 300 million people. The law must deal with a wide array of situations and circumstances. It must deal with issues about insurance, health care delivery, quality, distribution, access, hospital payment, doctor fees, and on and on. It must deal with the interaction of the various credits and the tax code, of the various pay-outs to states and how these will happen.

    Let's not be naive. Our country is a complex place. Our laws already on the books are complex and interact with each other. You can't fix things or even do minor tweaks with short one page laws or edicts.

    Complex problems in a complex society don't get fixed with one page solutions.

    Or put a different but more famous way, "for every complex problem there is a simple solution, which is usually wrong."
    My point was nobody reads this stuff before signing it into law. Pelosi said herself that "we need to pass it so we can know whats in it" That is the stupidest thing I ever heard come from her mouth.

    It's like someone handing you a piece of paper with the word consent for contract "X" and saying
    person "sign this"
    you "what am I signing?"
    person "sign it and I will tell you"
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    I do not believe that there is any gun control stuff in the healthcare bill. However, we will assume for a moment that there is all kinds of anti-gun stuff in the healthcare bill.

    We have another political party in DC that claims to stand for guns, apple pie, kids and all the other good stuff. Why did members of that other political party not inform the gun owning public that this awful stuff is in the healthcare bill? Could it be because the other party cares less about gun owners except at election time? They never did anything for guns owners in their eight years in office?

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    ya, theres nothing "hidden" in the Health care bill.

    Except, did you know the government "slipped" STUDENT LOANS, into the HEALTH CARE BILL.

    uuuum? I wonder how that happened?

    That's right, the government has eliminated any private school loans. the only way a student can get loan now is to go through the Government, my guess is (and I have no clue if this is true) the IRS will administer school loans as well


    aaah, I suspect there are lot of other folks out in there in the country trying to figure out a way around this monstrosity
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jmac00 View Post
    ya, theres nothing "hidden" in the Health care bill.

    Except, did you know the government "slipped" STUDENT LOANS, into the HEALTH CARE BILL.

    uuuum? I wonder how that happened?

    That's right, the government has eliminated any private school loans. the only way a student can get loan now is to go through the Government, my guess is (and I have no clue if this is true) the IRS will administer school loans as well


    aaah, I suspect there are lot of other folks out in there in the country trying to figure out a way around this monstrosity
    Firstly, the student loan amendment was not hidden. It was all over the news. We all knew about it if we were paying attention.

    Secondly, I don't think you understand how student loans work. The amendment affects the federal stafford loans that have always been available. They have simply taken the middle man out of them.

    Previously, the government sent the money to a bank of our choice who then administered the loan. They had no additional power over anything expect dispersing the funds. No matter what bank you chose your amount and terms would be the same because they were set by the government.

    The only difference is that the government removed the middleman. Now the money will be dispersed directly by the government without the banks who were just there as infrastructure anyway. It is a COST SAVINGS.

    Private student loans are still available for those who qualify. As has ALWAYS been the case folks are more than welcome to get private loans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tinkerinWstuff View Post
    Maybe we're preaching the same message in different ways.

    Regardless, of how you want to split the hairs, you don't HAVE to have auto insurance. YOU can CHOOSE to walk. Then you'd be healthier and your health care costs would go down.

    If you WISH to excersize a privledge of driving on taxpayer funded roads, then you are required to purchase insurance.
    I believe we are saying the same thing but the approach may differ. I see mandated auto insurance directed by the state to protect the responsible from the irresponsible. Agreed that if you choose not to carry auto, you don't drive. If you do and get caught, a penalty is enforced. There is a choice. Thats not the issue for me. My issue is the new health care law is mandated by the Feds that says if you don't purchase health care you will be fined. Funny part is they say its not criminal and not enforceable. So whats the plot. Why all the new IRS agents if its not enforcable. A major socialistic take over of this country? Will the new IRS agents wear arm bands too. Now the government will have access to our medical records in a centralized computer system. Sure HIPA will stop them from looking !! Lots of luck with that. Its the government monitoring the government. Remember, socialism can only work on a people that cant fight back. So begins the loss of your rights to protect yourself and gun ownership as we know it is dead. This is all back door and a set up for even more changes. Look how health care was put into law! Now all of a sudden we're living in a European Socialistic nation in America. You have to disarm the populous first for the takeover to succeed. I know this may sound alarmist to some folks but the take over of wall street, the education system, bail outs of big business (the acquisition of) and health care is all being done with in one year of the presidency. If the motive was to make changes to health care, why not approach it from the stand point that doesn't raise taxes and loss of jobs to the point that any business cant afford the Health care tax at a time we should be creating jobs. Why not just tort reform and competition across state lines. That would not cost anything to give a chance and evaluate its merits and continue to protect my records and my gun ownership. Health care wont get better. Lots of you may say that this health care law has nothing to do with gun ownership even with this administration, wait and see. I hope I'm wrong but, Obama is right, this is what change looks like, from freedom of choice to socialism. Obama is not a president, he is a revolutionist from within. He challenges the RNC to repeal in a public forum. I pray the November elections will shut down his advance on American freedoms and that my post will not be deleted. I hope all will come to light sooner than later. Damn, I just bought a new Sig too.
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